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Postby bassline » Sun May 28, 2006 9:31 am

Results excluded, is it bankroll healthy to lead on the flop?
Then, when Villain re-raises pot, he has either AA or a set. With this wrap and backdoor low I figured to have enough equity to call. Am I mistaken?


Party Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
10 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $4.25
UTG+1: $92.05
UTG+2: $46.40
MP1: $27.10
MP2: $23.85
MP3: $26.55
CO: $48.23
Button: $14.85
SB: $24.25
Hero: $26.30

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with [Ah] [Tc] [Kd] [3h]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, 4 folds, CO raises to $1.5, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.25 (pot was $2.35), UTG+1 calls $1 (pot was $3.6).

Flop: [Jc] [4s] [Qh] ($4.6, 3 players)
Hero bets $4.4, UTG+1 calls $4.4 (pot was $9), CO raises to $22, Hero calls all-in $20.4, UTG+1 folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $2.8 (pot was $51.4).

Turn: [7d] ($58.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $58.6)


River: [7s] ($58.6, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $58.6)


Results:
Final pot: $58.6
CO shows Qd Kc Qs Kh
Hero doesn't show Ah Tc Kd 3h

Actual equity on flop:



Equity against AA low x, or QQxx::

Random Omaha Hi/Lo Simulation Results (600,000 trials)
board: Jc4sQh
Hand Pot equity Scoops Wins Hi Ties Hi Wins Lo Ties Lo
aal*,qq** 50.85% 252,903 336,063 11,247 30,433 8,317
AhTcKd3h 49.15% 246,005 252,690 11,247 90,456 8,317

Villains reraise preflop doesnt mean much as he was doing that quite often.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun May 28, 2006 9:39 am

Fold preflop. Your hand is marginal vs a single raise, but vs a raise and re-raise it's a definite fold.
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Postby Kuso » Sun May 28, 2006 10:35 am

i wouldn't be too excited about the hand pf facing a raise and a reraise barring some sort of read.

on the flop i could go either way depending on who else was in the hand.
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Postby TomG » Sun May 28, 2006 11:21 am

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Postby davebreal » Sun May 28, 2006 3:00 pm

I think this is certainly not a fold pre-flop, with a suited A3 + 2 more broadway cards, I'm taking the flop everytime for that price.

The pre-flop call constitutes about 1/25th of your whole stack size. There is no way you are going to be a 25:1 dog going to the flop.
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Postby Phil153 » Sun May 28, 2006 6:47 pm

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Postby JDLush » Sun May 28, 2006 9:39 pm

In position the flop call is a no brainer to me, in the bb it's iffy but worth it, as TG said you would definitely prefer to see high cards on the flop.

The flop brings you pretty much the holy grail for that hand, it's either a pot lead or pot check raise IMO.
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Postby Kuso » Sun May 28, 2006 10:01 pm

my lack of excitement about the preflop call has mostly to do with the fact that it doesn't close the betting. i think this is an often-overlooked point in preflop play. there certainly are players against whom you can feel fairly confident that they won't jam pof, but we weren't provided with reads, so... anyway, it's a MUCH easier call if i close the betting.

fwiw, i love it when i'm in EP and can put the squeeze on in situations like this with a big hand.
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Postby bassline » Tue May 30, 2006 2:59 pm

True, a check raise wouldve perfectly applied to this situation.
Regarding the preflop call, i´d rather have this hand than a naked a2.
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