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Postby gsdavid » Wed May 31, 2006 3:42 pm

Ok...this is what happened, i moved eurobet(ongame network) and started clearing hands...however, after being up by almost a buy in im now almost 3 buy in's down...in only 200 hands...basically i got KK 5 times(yeah call me really lucky) of which 2 won preflop with folding and 3 went postflop and all lost..basically i wanna see where my mistakes were..


Hand 1:

Pre-flop: (4 players) burrounited is SB with K♦ K♠
UTG folds, Button calls, burrounited raises to $2, BB folds, Button calls.

Flop: 3♣ 10♥ 8♠ ($5, 2 players)
burrounited bets $4, Button calls.


Turn: J♥ ($13, 2 players)1
burrounited bets $6, Button raises to $15, burrounited calls.


River: 4♥ ($43, 2 players)
burrounited bets $5, Button raises to $35, burrounited calls.
Results:
Final pot: 111
Button bet $56,25, collected $111,30, net $55,05 Shows [ 9d 7d ] (a straight, Jack high)
burrounited lost $55,05
Basically looking now I must admit it was "kinda" obvios he had me beat..basically that 3x raise on turn should have made me think, and that call on river for last 30$ was money throw away..basically what happened few hands before was that on river after i already invested about 15$ of my own in that hand(i was up on 80) he place a 3xpot bet on a straight scare card which did piss me off a bit(i guess then he didnt have it) but now i really didnt see how he could had made a straight..ok i should had realized that i could had been against a set, but who calls 97s 1vs1? for 4bb? I mean his decision was excellent, since he got about 110 bb for it(due to my bad play..)
so question is, should i had folded the turn or folded only the reraise on river? tnx

Hand 2:
Again converter hates me so ill just write most important stuff..
Hero has ($48,50 in chips) , Villian ($11,15 in chips) (on the button)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Dealt to burrounited: Kh
Dealt to burrounited: Kc
*** Pre-Flop *** :
burrounited : Bet ($2)(UTG)
p1: Fold
p2 : Fold
button: Call ($2)
p4 : Fold
p5 : Fold
*** Flop *** : 4h Qd 10s
burrounited : Bet ($3)
button: Call ($3)
*** Turn *** : [ 4h Qd 10s ] 10h
burrounited : Bet ($5)
button: Call ($5)
*** River *** : [ 4h Qd 10s 10h ] 5h
burrounited : Bet ($1,15)
button: Call ($1,15)
button: All In
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $22,05 | Rake: $1
Board: [ 4h Qd 10s 10h 5h ]

buttonbet $11,15, collected $22,05, net $10,90 Shows [ Ah 10c ] (three tens)
burrounited lost $11,15 Shows [ Kh Kc ] (two pairs, Kings and tens)

Basically, my bet on flop was kinda weak, 3/5 it could had made it bigger but basically i didnt want to scare away AQ or lower pairs such as in this example A10 :S
now question is, since he was short stack, was there a way to figure out that he had that 10? i mean i wasnt too concerned with straight draw because i doubht that many ppl would call me with JK..its kinda obvious on table im tag, but then again i guess they dont pay much attention to their hands...simply should i have slowed down on turn and river in order to save 2-3$?

Hand 3:
Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $025/$050
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with K♣ K♠
2 folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $2, SB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8♦ 10♣ 6♣ ($104, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $13, SB raises to $20, Hero raises to $28.93, SB calls
Turn: Q♥ ($5667, 2 players)
River: 4s ($5667, 2 players)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $92,55 | Rake: $1
Board: [ 8d 10c 6c Qh 4s ]
burrounited lost $43,80 Shows [ Kc Ks ] (a pair of Kings)
SB bet $48,50, collected $92,55, net $44,05 Shows [ 8c 8s ] (three eights)

So question, on this one is..after than 2nd reraise from SB should i have folded? was the raise(13$, i know akward) but was it enought to show me that im facing at least a two pair or better?
and now some basic Questions...
OK..so what happens when i have PP such as QQ JJ TT and after i raise it in late position and get 1 caller..flop comes for example 5 K 6 and what now? I bet the pot and what if i get caller/raised? if i get called what should i do on turn?
Also i wonder how do you figure out(without losing more than 1/2 buy in) that you are up against a PP when u have high PP? for example u have AA flop is K48rainbow should you just keep betting 3/4 of pot and then if get reraised a lot fold? what happens if board continues to be raggy and you and caller are each 1/2 of stack already in pot and he goes AI on my VB on river? should i then be certain im done with the hand??
Lastly, my stats show that as a final, showdown hand i lose about 1bb for each pair i have? is this normal?? actually it used to be atbout 25c which was BB on 25$ NL but now after moving to 50$ NL ive got 31c lost per hand that is only pair on river..is this a huge leak and is it possible to have it at least breakeven with this hand? likewise, i lose about 35c on high card..are these like missed flush draws and such?(i use PO2)
tnx
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