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Here is a hand where i hate my play..

Postby Honestly » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:02 pm

Hi all btw, new to the forum and have an interesting hand to show you,

playing 10 seater 25/50nl and dealt KsKh in ep/mp
stacks before hand - utg 5k, me 5.7k, cut off 12k
utg calls, i just limp(2 very aggressive players in LP and am semi confident of a raise), another 2 limpers and then a 350 raise from cutoff who is very aggressive, folded to utg who is a good aggressive player reraises to 1100 and folded to you.
First here what is your play?
I decided to flat call which knew was bad move straight away, cut off also calls - i didnt believe utg had aces(not seen him use this play before) and was rather trying to isolate with LP who he put on weak hand or take it down there, i also believed the cut off was making a positional raise and was over 50% i had the best holding. After the hand i came to the conclusion that my play should of been either all-in or fold.
Anyway the flop was 9d8h4d and utg checks(i breath a sigh of relief), i bet 3k into around a 3.3k pot, the cutoff reraises all in, utg folds and i call
Turn and river are blanks and i take down around a 13k pot with the Kings beating AdKd

Anyway tell me what u think and am ready for the criticism :D
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Postby Bob314 » Mon Nov 29, 2004 6:16 pm

If you really are sure that UTG wouldn't limp and then raise with A-A then you really should be pushing here. You are going to be committing half your stack to a flop bet which isn't the best situation to be in. It is usually best to get as much money in as possible preflop with A-A and K-K.
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Postby kennyg » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:59 pm

Actually the way you played you got the max value out of the hand. Sure you took a risk with KK, but poker is all about risk and reward. Actually Cloutier talks about flat calling a raise (not sure about a reraise) with KK in NL Championship Hold'em. I myself would have probably moved in preflop...I'd rather do that then play that flop. I have no balls.

What in the world was the cutoff doing?? If you thought your play was bad...the cutoff was a million times worse. He raises all-in with nothing when you only have $1600 left! You have shown increidble strength on a flop of rags against very aggressive preflop betting. They have to put you on some monster don't they??

Maybe this AK play is above my level. God knows I've never played these limits, but I also know I would never in my life raise that AK all-in. Not with you having put in $4400 of your stack already. The only thing he is beating is a complete bluff!


One other thing, Is it possible UTG really did have aces?? If he did and checked for slow play on the flop...it's very possible he would have folded to your bet and then the reraise. I would think the cutoff would have to hold trips there to raise you.

Great post.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:04 pm

Is this at UB?
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Postby briachek » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:16 pm

The AK had the nut flush draw so he did have outs.
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Postby kennyg » Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:10 pm

ahhh..the does explain some of it. I didn't see the flush draw.
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