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Three big hands against donkeys (400NL 6H)

Postby Smokin'Al » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:17 pm

Well maybe not that big, but I've had a long spell without having any really tough decisions with legitimate made hands. This week I've had about 10.

Here are three from just now:

I think they all take strong lines against me, but there is history that muddy the waters...

--------------Hand 1

Only seen 1 hand with this player, where he 3-bet pre-flop with [Kd][Qd], led into the flop (TT6), min-reraised a min raise, and then pushed the blank turn (his opponent calls with 99 and villain rivers a Q).

Thoughts on my flop line? If you call turn you're committed to the river, so the only options seem to be:
a) fold
b) call turn, call river
c) shove turn

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

SB ($727.60)
BB ($403.60)
UTG ($92.20)
Hero ($426.90)
Button ($470.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with [Ah], [Ac].
1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, SB calls $12, 1 fold.

Flop: ($32) [6h], [6d], [Kh] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $24, SB raises to $48, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($128) [9d] (2 players)
SB bets $144,

--------------Hand 2

Different table, different villain. This guy has donkish stats (45/10), but the only hand I noticed he called a raise with J6 against a $200 stack, led into a jack high flop, called a smallish raise, then pushed a blank turn. (got stacked by AA).

Again, thoughts on the turn? If you get the money in, how much are you influenced by the above read?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (3 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

BB ($535.60)
Hero ($402)
SB ($432.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [As], [Kd].
Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) [6d], [5c], [Kc] (2 players)
BB bets $16, Hero raises to $48, BB calls $32.

Turn: ($126) [5s] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $75, BB raises to $250

--------------Hand 3

Same table as hand 2, one orbit later!

Thoughts on my line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) from (Format: Bet The Pot)

saw flop|saw showdown

Effective stacks still $400!

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ks], [As].
UTG calls $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18, 2 folds, UTG calls $14.

Flop: ($42) [7s], [Ts], [Jd] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $35, UTG calls $35.

Turn: ($112) [Th] (2 players)
UTG bets $100, Hero calls $100.

River: ($312) [4d] (2 players)
UTG bets $140, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $452
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Postby black_knight6 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:40 pm

1: minraise = monster. It's a min CHECK-raise for cryin out loud. Since you have AA, you can call to spike your A and expect to get implied odds, though. After the turn, easy fold.

2: Hero checks-behind on turn and calls up to pot on river.

3: I think I fold this on the turn: you may be drawing dead suddenly, or very thin to outs that may fill him up and make you lose your stack. Best to just fold here.
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Postby dropthe72 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 3:12 pm

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Postby Smokin'Al » Fri Jun 30, 2006 4:53 pm

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Postby dropthe72 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:03 pm

results?
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Postby Smokin'Al » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:37 pm

Results: meh I lost 5 buyins in 20 minutes :(, this was the money I lost where I was least sure of my play

hand 1 he had [6c][5c] perhaps he showed enough strength for me to fold

hand 2 I folded the turn ... I only realized it was the donkey who played J6 later, otherwise I think I push.

Hand 3 ... yeah I probably fell in love with my hand a bit ... how would my line have been if the turn had blanked (or should I have pushed then)?
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Postby dropthe72 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:51 pm

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Postby Tatarana » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:03 pm

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Postby dropthe72 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:25 pm

If you raise the flop, though, you should generally lead the turn. In which case, you would be putting way waaayy too much much in with tptk. Which we all know is a leak. Raising the flop also gets rid of weaker hands. Weaker hands that may bluff the turn and river. In this particular hand, I think aa is best played as a bluff catcher. While he was beat this particular time, its important to not think in a result specific manner, but in a overall positive and negative ev manner. In other words, much more broadly.

In hand one hero did not reraise preflop, merely put in a raise. Thus, his range (in his opponent's eyes) is much wider than a big pair. If there was a preflop reraise and villian showed strength, I would suggest folding the turn. In this case, villian can have a wide range of hands, including the FD, kx, pp... I think calling down here is not a bad choice. Folding the turn would be, of course, less variance and would follow iceman's whole beware the minraise thing.

My reason for calling down here is that the minraise from this opponent doesn't necessarily entail a good hand, as al concluded due to prior hands.

Calling and folding are valid, in my opinion. Raising the flop is not really a good idea though.
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