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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:20 am

From the POV of my opponent in this hand - he was relatively solid but prone to slight douchebaggery of the calling station kind (i.e. he called down to the river with a set of aces and no low on a A64 board with 2 to a flush). My feeling when the river went down was that he had to have had turned a big draw (maybe wrap round the top plus flush, or open-ender, low plus flush). With a deeper stack I think he should've got away from his second set here as (if I have top set) he's either way behind or (if I have a big draw) probably not too far ahead.

However, with a smaller stack maybe it's tough for him. I do raise quite a lot of hands he's beating on the flop and I would then make a full bet with most of them on the turn.... see what you think.

***** Hand History for Game 4732447205 *****
$400 PL Omaha Hi-Lo - Saturday, July 15, 05:58:06 ET 2006
Table Table 95156 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 6: lacala1 ( $100 )
Seat 7: LANA75 ( $678.15 )
Seat 8: Janne ( $139.50 )
Seat 9: FeloniusMonk ( $417 )
Seat 4: ominine ( $0 )
Seat 10: moncton027 ( $563.75 )
Seat 2: p8x53 ( $390 )
Seat 1: nutsbabys ( $605.40 )
Seat 3: REAPERMADNES ( $131 )
Janne posts small blind [$2].
FeloniusMonk posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FeloniusMonk [ 7h Qc 9s Qh ]
moncton027 folds.
nutsbabys calls [$4].
p8x53 folds.
REAPERMADNES folds.
LANA75 folds.
>You have options at Table 105924 (No DP) Table!.
Janne calls [$2].
FeloniusMonk checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, Qs, 3d ]
Janne bets [$11.40].
>You have options at Table 96926 (No DP) Table!.
FeloniusMonk raises [$45.60].
nutsbabys calls [$45.60].
Janne calls [$34.20].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
>You have options at Table 105924 (No DP) Table!.
Janne checks.
FeloniusMonk bets [$145.80].
nutsbabys is all-In [$555.80]
>You have options at Table 97720 (No DP) Table!.
Janne folds.
FeloniusMonk is all-In [$221.60]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
FeloniusMonk shows [ 7h, Qc, 9s, Qh ] three of a kind, queens.
nutsbabys shows [ Jd, Kd, Js, Ac ] three of a kind, jacks.
nutsbabys wins $188.40 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, jacks.
FeloniusMonk wins $880.60 from the main pot with three of a kind, queens.
There was no qualifying low hand.
>You have options at Table 105924 (No DP) Table!.
>You have options at Table 96556 (No DP) Table!.
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Postby Kuso » Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:50 am

wwcrd?

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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:29 am

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A licky boom boom down." - Snow, 1993
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Postby Kuso » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:06 am

i would usually fold to your raise on the flop. from what little i've played with you, you don't raise without the goods, a monster draw, or a play calling shenanigans. as villain, i'd want at least a redraw to continue.

calling with position isn't terrible, but i'd want some redraws just in case. when the turn comes, i still have no redraws, and you fire another barrel, i'd almost definitely lay it down.

this advice is a bit WT, but i'm not so sure it is bad. i'd have to have a read that you're a total donkey to play a hand this way without QQxx or a draw that makes it at best a crooked coinflip. you're not that bad of a player. also, what else could you have? a set of threes? jamming with top two into two callers? i doubt it -- that's not your style.

let me make it clear, if i see a guy making BS plays like this without the goods on a regular basis (e.g., BBP when he's not behaving), i'll get it all in the middle with this every time. that being said, you don't get that far out of line.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:25 am

Hmmm, in retrospect he can still make a raise on the flop and escape with about 2/3 of his stack; perhaps that should've been his line (although in general I don't like raising the crap out of sets in PLO8 on the flop, here the turn isn't likely to be especially "safe" for his hand as 90% of the safe cards make a low draw or straight, and there's a third player in who complicates matters so trapping someone with 2 pair, overpair plus draw etc. is made more difficult with a third hand to factor into the equation). I think he probably needs to find out ASAP if he's beat. If I raise the flop here I'm betting full pot on the turn again 80-90% of the time so to call hoping for a safe turn is probably not that good (i.e. he's looking for a T, board pair, or at a push perhaps a non-suited low card or one of the less likely straightening cards).

Incidentally if I raised w/ top two here, by the turn I've probably got some draw to go along with it and (given the relatively low likelihood of someone holding a set) I probably would fire another barrel in most cases (depending on how deep the stacks are, who the opponents are and whether I have any extra draws to go along with it, such as a raggy low draw, flush draw, or a hand like two pair plus an open ender).

I have another hand to post later if I remember it but my parents are coming round to eat tonight so I'm going to the supermarket to get vast quantities of beer that I can use to dull most of my senses....
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Postby Phil153 » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:36 am

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