Villain is super loose pre flop. He used to fold to my pre flop raises after he limped, or re-raises after he raised, but lately he's been taking flops with me. I've been making some nice money against him. Generally when I have a hand that's really strong I try to think whats the best way to get my whole stack in.

Here though, I decided that he could easily not have much. Even if he has like TT or JJ he's gonna be hard pressed to call a big turn bet, knowing the rest very well may be going in on the river, at which point you're essentially praying I'm going berserk with like AK. How do we like a check on the turn?

check is good. you'll win more against most of his range this way. and maybe lose less on those times when he has an 8.

FWIW,

Even at Tribeca where they call you down like mad, they usually fold to a turn bet there more than 1/2 pot.

IF you are really trying to get your whole stack in, I don't think you can fire 3 barrels and do it. I think you have to check the turn and go nuts on the river. I don't think that'll work though.

Well, wanting to play for stack and getting a call are two different kettles of fish.

You clearly put him on an overpair (and aren't worried at all about an 8?), in which case he has only 2 outs, so I'm not really THAT worried about giving the free card if it buys you some equity--i.e., he's going to bluff the river with a loser fairly sizeably (and possibly call an all-in raise with a loser).

I'm a bit concerned about several possible holdings for him, though. If he's that loose, it's in principle hard to exclude 98s (particularly clubs) or such. Since you have Ac, he can't have a big ace with flush draw, so that's convenient. Anyhow, the more you can exclude suited connectors from his range, the more I like the check--if you get some equity out of it. If suited connectors are in there, I like it less.

Also, I'm gathering that you've been re-raising him with a fairly wide range--like at least JJ-AA, AK, maybe? If so, I think it becomes difficult for him to lay down at least QQ to a turn bet, and some players are going to have trouble throwing away JJ, too.

I like the check here if you're fairly confident that he'll then put you on AK with that play and bluff any river that doesn't have an A or K. After that action, do you think he'd call a river push with a loser (thinking you're trying to bluff your way out of a missed AK)?

Anyhow, I guess it's clear that standard, solid play is a bet on the turn. But I like the check if your history with this guy suggests that it's unlikely he's on a suited connector with a club draw or an 8 and if he's going to bet the river with a loser.

Since you have the , he can't have the nut flush draw.

if he's raising and then calling that hefty of a reraise with a hand like 89s, then fine, he can have my stack here. also, if he's one of the trickier guys at 2/4 who'll open with 55 or 22 (or i guess even 88 here), then fine, he can stack me.

That being said, i want as many chips in this pot as possible. i feel fairly certain that aces are good here. which i think you do, hence your question of 'how can i extract the most?"

If you check, it gives him a good chance to bet the river with a hand like JJ, thinking it might be good. he'll probably bet $100, at which point i think that's the last of the chips you can get from him, since any halfway decent player will fold JJ to any raise there.

That being said, i think this choice is even better. Bet $125 on the turn. i think he has two outs, probably on a decent sized pair, TT, JJ, maybe QQ. i can't imagine he's holding KK against a maniac here. 99's do-able too since this is 6 max.

Anyhow, i'm betting $125 and pushing against a raise. i just don't believe he has the 8. if he smooth calls and checks the river, i'm flat pushing.

I bet here, no way I check. If I was oop yes, I might try a check raise but this way, no, I bet
If you don't whant to loose him, bet a smaller amount, even give him odds for the flush If that's what you think it's ok but please don't give him a free card .
You both had 630 when you started, so I don't see how you get get all the money in if you don't bet , how do you expect him to call the rest of his chips on the river
And another thing with your play, you seem to push, or at least play very aggressive with draws and weaker hands , and when you hit AA on a semi scary board you slow down or think about slowing down, and this is not the first time I see this from your posts, any reason for that?
You have a very lagy table image so I think a bet is in order, and you never know, iyt might give you some info about his hand. Would you fold if after a turn bet he CR's you all in?

I think a few of you misunderstood my statement about trying to play in such a way that I get my whole stack in. I was trying to say that on this hand, I thought that the way to do that (bet the turn fairly large and get in a shove on the river) might actually not be the play with the highest EV. Say I bet $185 on the turn and plan to shove the rest on the river, I can only get called 10% of the time. But maybe if I check behind on the turn and bet $185 on the river I can get called 70% of the time.


That is to say that on this hand I think I may have had a small epiphany:

When one has a hand he would be happy to get all his money in with, it is not always the play with the greatest expectation to play the hand in such a way, that I mazimize my chances of getting all my chips in.


Up until this hand I figured I'd always just try to get all my chips in, if I was happy to do so. But trying to get them all in here seems like I might be leaving something on the table when he has 99 and decies to be smart or even something like a really awfully played AJ (I mean he's clearly not gonna call a turn bet and river shove with this, but if I check behind on the turn he may bet the river/call a river bet if an A or J falls. Or heck, if the board double pairs.)