I definitely think I screwed the hand up royally. I never stopped to think the hand through, especially on the flop. I absolutely believe after LP and EP each had 100 in the pot with the action on me I could have gotten them to commit another 150 each (reraise to 250). This would also give them each an oppurtunity to reraise me all in, which I was fully prepared to call.

As far as the turn goes, I don't know why but I was certain if I led out half pot on turn that LP or EP would raise me and I could get all the money in. That was mistake number 2.

River. I don't believe my check was a mistake on the river as long as I was prepared to call any bet either of them should make. If they don't have the flush I may be able to milk maybe 200 out of one of them with a bet. But if I check, LP has the capacity to make a 400-800 bet on the river with or without a hand. Having screwed the hand up as I have so far I figured I'd check and see if LP might throw a big bluff at me. Remember I really haven't shown much strength since the flop, my turn bet was weak for me and I know he saw that.

Anyhow, EP folded and I thought for a few seconds and called. He had A9c and took the hand.

Hows it goin Palman, good to see you again.

"I think he could have JJ, TT, 44, JT, or the nut flush. You have to call."

Wouldn't he have raised the turn with any of the sets? Based on his bet on the river I'd be more inclined to put him on a QJ type of hand.

Not too bad Scott, ya still playing on UB?

First off let me welcome ya to board cuz I haven't seen ya here before. If you really felt LP held or had a 50% chance of having the A high flush draw then I think you have to bet 4/5 pot on the turn. It seems to me you read him for it the whole way down the line as a strong possibility so I don't understand why bet the turn weak knowing fairly surely that one of the two players has a good possibility of holding Axc. I'ld bet it hard trying to take it down right there and it would help me know that if someone did call my practically pot-size bet that most likely they did not have the draw because they would be making a very bad call to pray for that flush card. However, based on your line I think you must call the river bet and I would expect to see a flush, most likely the a high flush. But, other times he wont hold the a-high flush in the limp in pot, might hold suited connectors like 76 or what not , any 2 connecting clubs and he might very well make the same play being as aggressive as he is with two people checking into him. So, I think river must call, I'ld charge draw more on turn though. Great hand to post btw.

I really don't think a set or J10 are much of a possibility here upon reflection. It would be a terrible mistake by the LP player, making a large bet with a hand that could be good by itself, yet people would only call with a hand that beats it. There'd be no value to the bet whatsoever. I think you can narrow him down to a flush (but not which one) or a QJ type of hand.

I dont understand that thinking. Why would he raise the flop with QJ, but not JT?
He didnt raise enough to chase anyone off so he cant be thinking a raise with QJ is a good idea there.

I think if Scott moves in on the flop, the guy may well fold the higher flush draw and may call with JT and will definately call with a set. Thats what I wouldve done.

Why not check raise here on the turn? LP raised you and the flop and will probably continue on the turn.

Check raise the turn was my first thought, but right before I hit the check button I thought it wasn't such a good idea. There are a number of hands he could check with here and give the free card which I absolutely didnt want to do. I wanted to get as much money in the pot as I could right now. At the time I thought my small turn bet would show weakness and he'd come over the top (or EP with a set) for sure. Obviously I was wrong and it may have cost me the hand. Though after hitting the 9 along with his club draw I'm not so sure LP is leaving the hand for any price.

I agree I screwed the hand up, but my intention in writing it was seeing what you thought was the best play on the turn. I've used this "somewhat weak" bet in this spot to induce a raise in the past and it works well in spots, unfortunately it didnt work here.

I'm still not convinced what the best play is in this situation considering you don't know either opponents hand. If the same hand happens to you tonight what do you do? Pot bet? Check and hope he bets?

I'm thinking there are two ways to approach the hand right now. Take a chance at winning a big pot by attempting the check-raise. If he bets I put him all in and see what happens. If he checks and a club hits or the board pairs I will let go of the hand for any significant bet. I'd be willing to call a little bit more if the club hits than if the board pairs.

The other way is to pot commit myself right now with a pot sized (or close) bet. I think I win the least here, but lose the least also. I don't think EP calls me if he has 44 like I think, and I really don't know if LP calls or not.

What do you think?

SF

I think *any* lead on the turn after betting the flop and getting raised is pretty suspicious (or is that less true at higher limits?).

So I think your analysis of either checking and gambling that someone bets, or leading at the pot for as much money as you sensibly can, are the two best options on the turn.

EP is the most likely to have a hand, and he's checked ... so I'm leaning towards a bet - maybe an overbet to try and confuse matters ... $450?

I think I'd have reraised the flop and tried to pot commit myself: presumably that's a bad idea because of EP's scary check-call (dreadful board to slowplay a set on though...)?