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Postby Twelver » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:51 pm

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($338)
Hero ($574.30)
BB ($907.30)
UTG ($349.30)
MP ($528.70)
CO ($799.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with KImage, KImage. Hero posts a blind of $2.
UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, Button calls $8, Hero (poster) raises to $26, 1 fold, UTG calls $20, Button calls $20.

Flop: ($88) TImage, 9Image, 8Image (3 players)
Hero bets $75, UTG calls $321.30 (All-In), Button folds, Hero ????
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:01 pm

I had a similar hand yesterday.

Guy raised $35, got a call and I reraised to $110 with AA. Original raiser called and other guy folded.

The flop was JT9. I bet $200 and he raised to $700 (had about $200 behind). This is pretty much the same spot you are in. Its a horrible spot but because the pot was raised and reraised, I pushed in. My villain had KK and I won.

I think in the long run, a fold is probably better because in a raised and reraised pot, its doubtful he has AT. AA, TT, 99 and 88 have you crushed. JJ is close to a coinlip. QQ is the only hand you have in really bad shape.

So I think a fold is better, but like I said, in a raised and reraised pot, its very hard to fold. My hand is almost exactly the same as yours. My cards are one card higher and the flop is all one card higher. The only real difference is that I dont have a higher overpair that can beat me like you do.

I almost folded my hand so I think you should fold.
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Postby Danhdan » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:16 pm

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Postby Twelver » Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:12 am

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

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Postby laynegt » Thu Aug 24, 2006 12:46 pm

ok, i'm not gonna lie, i saw the results. but i think you can call this...though i originally did think to let him have it. here are my scattered thoughts:
- UTG min-raised pre-flop. this is key. i don't think anyone mentioned this.
- UTG's pf action would be quite strange for AA. i feel similarly about QQ.
- a T98 flop is highly unlikely to have hit you
- QJ/TT/99/88 is a fair possibility
- but really, so is AJ/KJ/JT/KT/QT/AT/A9/A8; these are all UTG min-raising-type hands

and just to double check, i ran numbers on a conservative hand range like:
10% air (85/15 equity)
50% nuts (10/90)
40% draw (55/45)

calling EV comes out slightly positive.
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Postby Twelver » Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:20 pm

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

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