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Some River decisions and weak play

Postby briachek » Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:26 am

Hand 1

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (8 handed)

BB ($67.45)
UTG ($39.67)
UTG+1 ($34.25)
MP1 ($7.35)
MP2 ($15.75)
CO ($27.2)
Button ($23.15)
Hero ($31.8)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Ts], [Ah], [As], [3d].
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) [6d], [Ac], [Kc] (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $1.25, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $3.75.

Turn: ($11.25) [8s] (2 players)
Hero bets $10.7, UTG+1 calls $10.70.

River: ($32.65) [Jc] (2 players)
Hero bets $15.85 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $15.85.

Final Pot: $64.35

Results in white below:
he had [ Ad Ks 9h Kd ] for 3 kings

Outcome: Hero wins $64.35.


Terrible river card but the pot is big so I push anyway. I would check it if I had position but I didn't. What do you do? Check to induce a bluff and call anyway?

Hand 2

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (8 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($78.77)
Button ($34.52)
SB ($23.75)
BB ($10)
UTG ($24.39)
UTG+1 ($28.37)
Hero ($35.39)
MP2 ($26.41)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Kd], [9s], [Kc], [6c].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, CO raises to $0.59, 2 folds, BB calls $0.34, UTG+1 calls $0.34, Hero calls $0.34, MP2 calls $0.34.

Flop: ($3.05) [8s], [4c], [Qc] (5 players)
BB bets $2, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $2, MP2 folds, CO calls $2.

Turn: ($9.05) [2c] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, CO calls $7, BB raises to $7.41 (All-In), Hero calls $0.41, CO calls $0.41.

River: ($31.28) [8c] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, CO bets $29.73, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $61.01
Main Pot: $31.28, between CO and BB. > Pot won by BB ($31.28).
Pot 2: $29.73, returned to CO.

Results in white below:
BB has 4s Ac 5d 7c (flush, ace high).
Other villian had [ Jh 2h 9c Jc ] for lower flush and I would have won $30 sidepot
Outcome: BB wins $31.28. CO wins $29.73.


This guy had been betting weird amounts constantly and doing it with about half the hands. He would raise to 51 cents which is 1 cent higher than a min raise. It rare that he puts in a close to max bet like he did. I decided to fold and wait for a better time. What to do?

Hand 3

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($91.06)
BB ($33.61)
UTG ($26.35)
UTG+1 ($23.75)
MP1 ($4.48)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($28.98)
Hero ($24.93)
Button ($26.41)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [8c], [Kh], [Ah], [As]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 (poster) checks, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.61, BB calls $0.36, MP1 calls $0.36, MP2 calls $0.36, MP3 calls $0.36, Hero calls $0.36.

Flop: ($3.66) [8d], [3d], [5h] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($3.66) [Th] (6 players)
SB bets $1.53, BB calls $1.53, MP1 calls $1.53, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls $1.53.

River: ($9.78) [Kc] (4 players)
SB bets $3.67, BB folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls $3.67.

Final Pot: $17.12
Main Pot: $17.12, between SB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero ($17.12).

Results in white below:

He had [ 2h 2c 9c Qd ]
Outcome: Hero wins $17.12.


Same villian as last hand with the weird amounts. I decided to call him down in this case. Good idea?

Hand 4

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (8 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($23.25)
SB ($24.92)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($15.95)
UTG+1 ($47.73)
MP1 ($15.25)
MP2 ($24.11)
CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Qc], [Ks], [Kh], [Ts]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $0.5, CO (poster) calls $0.25, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.25, UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25.

Flop: ($3.50) [9d], [Kd], [3d] (7 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $3, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls $3, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($9.50) [As] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($15.50) [Th] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: $15.50
Main Pot: $15.50, between Hero and CO. > Pot won by Hero ($15.50).

Results in white below:
Hero has Qc Ks Kh Ts (three of a kind, kings).
CO has 2h 9c 9s 2d (three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $15.50.


This hand was pretty weak on my part but being out of position, I was looking to fill cheaply and he kept it pretty cheap. I was ready to fold to any significant bet on river but he checked. Too weak on this hand?

Hand 5

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($28.18)
UTG+1 ($19.85)
MP1 ($22.25)
Hero ($25.08)
MP3 ($2.43)
CO ($7.45)
Button ($23.8)
SB ($17.28)
BB ($9.95)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with [Kd], [3h], [Kh], [4h].
3 folds, Hero calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB completes, BB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3) [Ah], [9h], [7s] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.85, Hero calls $2.85, MP3 folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($8.70) [Tc] (2 players)
BB bets $6.35 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $15.05
Main Pot: $8.70, won by BB.
Pot 2: $6.35, returned to BB.

Results in white below:
No showdown. BB wins $15.05.


Correct to draw to flush on flop and correct fold on turn?
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:37 pm

Hand 1 - he's only calling with a hand that beats you. If you're determined to show down here you could always check/call and try to induce a bluff. Only reason to bet out is if you think he might have a broadway straight draw and fold to the flush card, but with only 1/2 the pot to bet I think most people call with that anyhow. To be honest, this connects every draw in existence so I think you can sadly afford to check-fold here, unless you have a read suggesting he plays something like middle set that passively. Even then I think putting your last $15 on the river is going to lose it for you more often than the pot odds are paying out. Sucky river, that's poker.

Hand 2 - Good bluff by him. Still, I think this would be a very tough call. 3-1 odds on the main pot but there's a good chance you could be only playing for the side pot. This seems like a decent enough fold on the face of it.

Hand 3 - Seems like a pretty easy call. Fine all the way.

Hand 4 - flop call is a little loose if you think the rest will certainly fold (or raise a big flush), unless you know the better will pay off nicely if you catch, in which case implied odds make it A-OK. Other than that, played fine. Betting the river would not be +EV against most players, seems he's looking for a cheap showdown. If he has 2nd nut flush or something, just give it up.

Hand 5 - flop call again a bit loose, but one advantage is that there's players still to act who, if they're passive (usually at this level) will put some dead money in for you. Well, it didn't work out. On the turn there's no chance of you being better than 1 in 4 to win it (even if ALL your king and flush outs are live) and the pot is paying you worse than that, so it's an easy fold.
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