yeah ok...supposed to be a fun thing, noted...BUT people read these forums. I would hate for some kid starting out to think that "NEVER" raising UTG is the right play. As well all know, never is a word that shouldn't be used when talking about poker. To eliminate, out of hand, the entire concept of raising in EP is foolish, IMO.

What do you do on a seemingly benign flop (say 10 6 2 for arguments sake) when QQ faces resistance. Do you pay off the monkey that plays 106s suited because its his dog's birthday? Simply put, its a bad play. The days of cautious poker being profitable are long gone. Not to try and change your mind, but if anyone else out there is reading thinking '[Hey yea, you know what, I'm not going to ever raise UTG anymore", I think they should know that this is flat out bad poker. OK, say you will fold facing resistance, but how will you know if this is some idiot married to TPNK or if the idiot does in fact have a set?

Nothing personal, just discussing strategy.

K3nt just owned you guys.

edit: my reply would be a lot better BEFORE you replied Allstar. Now you've gone and justified your response and it doesn't seem half as funny.

way too much attempted real discussion in the low content forum lately.

Good point, Allstar. Never say never. Poker is all about adapting to the situation. And with the right table conditions I will vary this. I should have said "rarely" instead of "never."

And yeah, if you have QQ and you let T6 in the BB hit a T62 flop for free you may feel like a total douche. On the other hand when the turn comes with another 2 and you stack him, that's some good times.

Note for any new players who happen to be reading this: I do not recommend that new players limp AA-JJ utg. If you do limp them, you need to be able to know when it's correct to fold those hands postflop, and that's not easy for new players to do.

Kent I agree with the never raising UTG, I am to the point where I pretty much never raise UTG. As for playing deep stacked you are crazy, you can play deep stacked poker, you have as much experiance playing $50 than anyone else around here. Deep stacked poker ALWAYS favors the better players. You can fold an overpair vs a set most players at this level cant more +ev for you. You know when you are getting odds to draw which most people ignore +ev for you. The deeper the stacks the happier I am.

Rhound thanks for the enouragement. I may try it tonight.

Dude, that's my line!!

errrrrrrrrrrrr rhound 200bb while every one is 100 or less isnt deep stacked.