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Weak flop lead

Postby Anders » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:28 am

This is a move that I haven't used much if at all lately. How do you like it, is it something you have in your repertoire, what do you think the pros/cons are compared to C/R'ing OOP?

FullTiltPoker Game #1270852611: Table Regatta (6 max) - $1/$2 - Pot Limit Omaha - 9:18:44 ET - 2006/11/19
Seat 1: nuckbasty666 ($530.75)
Seat 2: Anders-UA ($191.85)
Seat 3: BandanaMan3k ($24.90)
Seat 4: H1o2s3H ($80)
Seat 5: dyokem ($287)
Seat 6: Protss99 ($361.20)
nuckbasty666 posts the small blind of $1
Anders-UA posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Anders-UA [8c 7s 9d 5c]
BandanaMan3k folds
H1o2s3H raises to $4
dyokem calls $4
Protss99 folds
nuckbasty666 calls $3
Anders-UA raises to $10
H1o2s3H folds
dyokem has 15 seconds left to act
dyokem calls $6
nuckbasty666 has 15 seconds left to act
nuckbasty666 calls $6
*** FLOP *** [5h 6c 4s]
nuckbasty666 checks
Anders-UA bets $6
dyokem raises to $29
nuckbasty666 folds
Anders-UA raises to $121
dyokem calls $92
*** TURN *** [5h 6c 4s] [9s]
Anders-UA bets $60.85, and is all in
dyokem calls $60.85
Anders-UA shows [8c 7s 9d 5c]
dyokem shows [4c 7h 7d 6s]
*** RIVER *** [5h 6c 4s 9s] [Jh]
Anders-UA shows a straight, Nine high
dyokem shows two pair, Sixes and Fours
Anders-UA wins the pot ($394.70) with a straight, Nine high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $397.70 | Rake $3
Board: [5h 6c 4s 9s Jh]
Seat 1: nuckbasty666 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Anders-UA (big blind) showed [8c 7s 9d 5c] and won ($394.70) with a straight, Nine high
Seat 3: BandanaMan3k didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: H1o2s3H folded before the Flop
Seat 5: dyokem showed [4c 7h 7d 6s] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Fours
Seat 6: Protss99 (button) didn't bet (folded)
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:08 am

I quite like it here as it looks like you've maybe got 37 or a low set rather than 78 on the flop. That said it's not something I do frequently. It seems your opponent was so bad here he'd have stacked off anyway!
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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:28 am

I don't really have it in my repertoire either, although I think on occasion (like this) it's not bad at all. I've just felt like there were a lot more important things to work on than when to make weak leads.

That being said, I don't think I'd ever make it quite that small, even if I did make weak leads. I think I'd always make it more in the 1/3 pot range, like maybe $12 or so here (pot is $30, right?)--if they're smart enough to interpret that as a clear weak bet, which I'm not completely convinced of.

I do think it's a sweet idea to introduce it in situations where they're likely to have some credibility issues but where you have the nuts with redraws--another good one would be something like top set with nut flush redraw on a board with minimal or no straight draws. Once you've done that for a while, then I think it also has a good place on ignorant end of the straight or some other hands that you think might be good but aren't sure about. But still trying to keep a good mix of at most half of the hands where you're willing to fold to a raise and then the remaining more than half where you're actually provoking a raise.

Also, while on this board 2 pair doesn't get priced in to fill up with only 4 outs even for $6 (assuming no implied odds), you would be giving a set odds to just call if you bet that low, particularly a set with runner-runner flush possibilities.
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