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PLO - I normally don't stack with the bottom full

Postby Stoneburg » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:32 am

I got AJ22s in the BB and the table has gotten 5-handed. Everyone limps to me and I check it.

Flop comes [Qc] [Qh] [2c]

I lead for 5, next guy raises to 20, guy after flat call... I push (well almost anyway).

Get your stack in or wait for a better spot?
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Postby Kuso » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:52 am

read on villain?

my guess is that they both have Qs, so jamming is usually good. that being said, if you think they're a little loose and will play three-legged dogs with a deuce as a dangler, then you better be careful.

in a 5-handed game, you don't need to be so careful with underfulls, but i would also say that you need to have good reads on villains regarding what their raising standards are.

btw, stack sizes would be useful here... and stakes, too.
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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:35 am

I got a full stack, raiser has 60 and caller has us covered. Blinds are 0.5/1. No reads except for the usual.
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Postby JDLush » Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:44 pm

If they don't share any outs you have less than 1/3:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2192225
pokenum -o ac jc 2h 2d - qc 3h 5c 7d - qd 9c td kh -- qh qs 2s
Omaha Hi: 666 enumerated boards containing Qs 2s Qh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Jc 2d 2h 189 28.38 477 71.62 0 0.00 0.284
Qc 5c 7d 3h 198 29.73 468 70.27 0 0.00 0.297
9c Qd Td Kh 279 41.89 387 58.11 0 0.00 0.419

But if you can fold one off then it's much better:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2192226
pokenum -o ac jc 2h 2d - - qd 9c td kh -- qh qs 2s
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Qs 2s Qh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Jc 2d 2h 474 57.80 346 42.20 0 0.00 0.578
9c Qd Td Kh 346 42.20 474 57.80 0 0.00 0.422

Go for the push.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:54 pm

Easy all in.

Edit: Unless you have a small-ish BR. Easy all-in for someone like me who has like 1000000000 buyins.
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Postby Stoneburg » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:02 pm

The raise and call really tripped me up here. I rarely felt with the bottom full, but when the first guy raises he has to have a Q, and so does the guy who flat calls a bet and raise. So nobody can have quads. Hopefully they're sharing some kickers and I'm a decent favorite.

Turns out the moron raiser screwed me. He was raising with [Kc] [Tc] and two rags!! The non-nut flush draw on a paired board. I don't know what the hell he was thinking but he got me to donate my stack to the guy with Q2. :x
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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:33 am

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