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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:53 am

Zokio sitter på plats 1 med 1039.67
IMAR11 sitter på plats 2 med 446.95
hoiruud sitter på plats 3 med 545.05
crocket sitter på plats 4 med 299.90
Aslim sitter på plats 5 med 426.55
bobbysox sitter på plats 6 med 373.00
sir_ek sitter på plats 7 med 505.65
bleke sitter på plats 8 med 96.60
Hero sitter på plats 9 med 178.00
MrCrazy sitter på plats 10 med 164.00

[5c] [6d] [5h] [Ah]


Pre-flop:

Zokio: Calls 2.00
IMAR11: Calls 2.00
hoiruud: Calls 2.00
crocket: Calls 2.00
Aslim: Calls 2.00
bobbysox: Calls 2.00
sir_ek: Calls 2.00
bleke: Calls 2.00
Hero: Calls 2.00
MrCrazy: Passa

Flop (Board: [Jd] [5s] [Ks]):

Hero: Passa
MrCrazy: Bets 2.00
Zokio: Calls 2.00
IMAR11: Folds
hoiruud: Calls 2.00
crocket: Calls 2.00
Aslim: Calls 2.00
bobbysox: Folds
sir_ek: Calls 2.00
bleke: Calls 2.00
Hero: Raises 38.00
MrCrazy: Folds
Zokio: Folds
hoiruud: Folds
crocket: Calls 38.00
Aslim: Calls 38.00
sir_ek: Folds
bleke: All in
Hero: All in

Anyone play it differently? I was intending to check/fold to a real bet or raise.
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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:38 am

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Postby Kuso » Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:46 am

i think you can only make this play if you are absolutely certain that KK and JJ are not out. even then, you have to be slightly concerned about 2pr both blocking your boat outs and having a draw to a better boat. if the equity is there, though, and you don't mind the gamble, then i think it's fine to go for it.

as far as pf is concerned, i think the limp is fine IF you are confident that you can outplay your opponents post-flop. i think only you can make that judgment.
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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:55 pm

I'm a bit surprised by the disrespect A655s gets! I'll play that in LP and the SB every time and never considered it marginal. OTB or in the SB I will play ANY suited Ace since in this game, not only will the K flush pay you off, but the 9-high flush. People also tend to bet too small (giving me good odds to chase a naked flush draw) and chase too much themself. Of course I won't hit a great flop that often, but sometimes I'll get an OESD+FD, set+FD, made straight with FD etc etc. I will of course get into some marginal situations, but I think opponent tendencies make up for it. Then again, I haven't been a huge winner yet in PLO here (NL Hold'em is most profitable so far, on Party it was the other way around).

In super-loose and pretty passive games, I would assume your starting hand requirements open up a lot.

It became a 3-way all-in against [4h] [Kc] [10s] [Qs] and [9s] [7h] [As] [4c]. Turn was a J and my boat turned out to be good.

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5c 6d Ah 5h 356 53.45 310 46.55 0 0.00 0.535
As 9s 4c 7h 181 27.18 485 72.82 0 0.00 0.272
Qs Ts Kc 4h 129 19.37 537 80.63 0 0.00 0.194

Of course if someone had KJ instead...
Js 9s 4c Kh 111 16.67 555 83.33 0 0.00 0.167
Qs Ts Kc 4h 306 45.95 360 54.05 0 0.00 0.459
5c 6d Ah 5h 249 37.39 417 62.61 0 0.00 0.374

Not so hot.
And when you put in the dreaded over set I am totally screwed
Js 9s 4c Jh 311 46.70 355 53.30 0 0.00 0.467
Qs Ts Kc 4h 317 47.60 349 52.40 0 0.00 0.476
5c 6d Ah 5h 38 5.71 628 94.29 0 0.00 0.057
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Postby Kuso » Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:04 pm

i think your government position must be something related to immigration, because posting these hands is REALLY making me want to move to sweden.

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anyway, i think you probably should give us some reads (e.g., the flush comment) when you post these hands. i mean, if you think you'll get paid off by any lower flush, yeah, limp any suited ace -- esp. if they're passive and will let you draw cheaply AND then pay you off once you hit.

in a tighter game, the 55 actually hurts you here, imo, since a set will often be dominated if a lot of money goes in the middle. i'd rather have a suited ace and some sort of run with or without gaps (e.g., A568). again, i think the site you play on is kind of unlike anything anyone here plays on (at least these days), so please don't be shy about adding some color commentary.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:19 pm

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Postby Anders » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:37 am

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