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78s vs the tight guy / NL200 6-max

Postby Neilis » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:09 am

So I'm having fun at a stars NL200 table mostly due to the presence of the CO who seems to be one of the biggest donks I've seen in a while. UTG however is not a donk, he's apparently a multi-tabling rock. As far as I can tell he's on about 8 tables and I have him at 7/4 preflop over ~60 hands. He's the subject of this hand...

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $192.05
UTG+1: $218.55
CO: $248.30
Button: $208.75
Hero: $347.10
BB: $300.55

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with [7c] [8c]
UTG raises to $8, 3 folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

So the really tight guy UTG raises. He has a full stack and I have a hand that's certainly worth seeing a flop with when I expect villian to have JJ+ or AQ/AK.

Flop: [9c] [6c] [7s] ($18, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, UTG raises to $34, Hero...?

How much do I love this flop?
So we lead into our preflop raiser fully expecting him to raise me and he obliges. What's my play now? I think I probably should have bet a little more on the flop?
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Postby Zmej » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:18 am

Preflop is questionable, but I would likely call too.

That's one of the best flops you could hope for, if you lead here then you should 3bet now.
Personally I like 3betting to 99 and pushing any turn. Though I don't mind a push here too.

IMO lead-raise-3bet is one of the strongest lines aganst a rock here, hopefully he can fold an overpair. You could bet a bit more like 15, but it wouldn't make much difference.
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Postby ua1176 » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:18 am

reraise to $110. call a push.

you are so much of a favorite against an overpair. even if the turn bricks you have odds to check/call a shove and see a river.

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Postby Molina » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:19 am

MAAALLIN

You ahead of everything in the villains range %-wise. You may have position but all your outs are obvious if they hit
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Postby Bosox1 » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:21 am

I think you are toally in the love the with this flop! You have 20 outs if he has AA/KK and 15 outs if he has 99. Here you hope he has AA and push. I just don't see you getting action out of the rock if you hit your draw on the turn. The 5 or the 10 makes an obvious straight and any club may scare him. It's 6-max so if he has AA there is a decent chance he will stack off. If he puts you strictly on a flush draw than he has to call the push. I think the most likely outcome is that you push and he folds, which I wouldnt be too upset about.
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Postby KaiserSosa » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:22 am

next play....are u willing to go all-in at this pt? if not, just call b/c IMO, if u RR, villain is pushing all-in. plus, ur OOP.
ur flop bet isn't bad, 2/3 pot size bet shows strength.
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Postby Electrolux » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:25 am

I would push now. You are a favorite wright now. If you complete your flush or str8 on the turn he could very well lay down his likely overpair.
And if it doesn't hit, you are more 50/50 vs an overpair, and you have to get your money in on a coinflip (still good given all the dead money in the pot).

And he cant really play 7/4 in six max? He will just be blinded away, if he doesn't get paid of hugely on those 7% he plays and 4% he raises.
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Postby Molina » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:29 am

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Postby KaiserSosa » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:36 am

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Postby shamdonk » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:52 am

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:55 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Electrolux » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:55 am

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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:15 am

You're ahead of *everything* except a set or made straight (both of who are extremely unlikely, almost impossible). And even then it's pretty much a coinflip.

Push and be happy whether he folds or calls.
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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:18 pm

Er... on the TURN he will no longer be favorite unless he hits, in which case the board will look super scary. Hero is also OOP, which is another argument against it and for pushing. I think calling the flop is a bad mistake.
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