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Postby Ichoi » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:33 pm

For 2 years since I started, I played almost exclusively (not counting tours/sng's) probably 95% limit, I did pretty well but not well enough. Honestly due to a lack of discipline.

Since starting again 5 days ago I've been 4 tabling .25/.5 6 max NL on stars. Have played a bit of full table also.

Although I don't pretend to be a good player yet, I've been running pretty well in the 11k hands I've played so far.

I don't normally try things this stupid, but here's a bluffs I tried. I'll say right it worked but I want to know if I'm really spewing chips or if I actually picked a decent spot.

5 handed, effective stacks $56
villain stats, 22/10/7 - 125 hands
Dealt to Hero [9c] [7c] on button
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, sb folds, villain (BB) reraises to $4.5, hero calls.

Flop [Qc] [8s] [5c] Pot $9.25
Villain bets $8, Hero calls.

Turn [Qc] [8s] [5c] [Qs] Pot $25.25
Villain bets $8, hero calls.

River [Qc] [8s] [5c] [Qs] [4s] Pot $41.25
Villain checks, Hero bets $35, Villain calls time, makes a comment about the queen/sucking out/being a calling station and folds with a few seconds remaining.

Analysis: Preflop raise I think is pretty standard on button, calling his reraise because he made it too cheap. Obviously I'm not planning to do anything if I flop one pair. I have him pegged pretty squarely on a big pair.

Flop he bets pretty big, but I have him pegged on KK/AA at this point. I believe he isn't folding and he probably plays for stacks if a club rolls off, also I have a fairly unlikely gutshot that should get paid off if he really has an over pair.

Turn, I took his bet to be real weakness and he was worried I made trips. I quickly called. I thought about min raise bluffing (which I never ever do with a good hand... or a bluff for that matter) but was afraid it might actually work and suck him in. I think he maybe folds to a push here, but I think if that he thinks that if I really had a Q in position I'd try to 'suck him in' and just smooth call, expecting to get allin on the river.

River, he checks and I don't wait long to bet big, not quite enough to put him in (3 dollars behind), but close. I think it actually looks stronger than an allin to the type of player I have him pegged as. (A good player, but not 'that' good) and he probably thinks I'm a huge donk. (maybe he's right?)


Question, who likes my line here, what could be better. Fold preflop? Raise flop? Raise turn? Appreciate any feedback.
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Postby black_knight6 » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:36 pm

UTTER spewage...raise the bloody flop, though. You have a combo draw and he probably has either AQ or KK/AA...if you put on enough pressure, he MAY find a fold.

If you read turn bet for weakness...RAISE (push). He's not going to give you credit if you just call since you should fear the TWO FDs out there.
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Postby Ichoi » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:01 pm

Maybe it is utter spewage, but you really think he folds AQ or better on the flop?

I was planning to fire turn if he checked, and I don't think he fires again with AK/JJ or whatever.

I really think this is one of those spots where raising flop is maybe slightly +ev, but calling is probably much more so.

Maybe turn push is best.

edit: Oh, and if I really did have a Q, I don't fear a flush draw at all. Since both queens are out there, he'd basically have to be holding AKc or AKs, which is far far less likely than AA/KK.
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Postby black_knight6 » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:03 pm

Only if the turn brings the straight and not the flush...if you hit the flush he may shut down. You played it exactly like a FD that missed and felt like bluffing the river. I'd call that river with TT-JJ no prob.
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Postby DonkiFornication » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:08 pm

Raising this flop is almost a must in position. You can give him credit for something, AK at worst, but most probably AA/KK/AQ/KQ/JJ/TT, most definitely not QQ and you can take that to the bank. JJ/TT'll probably call and give you a free river. AK'll fold as will JJ/TT at times. The outside chance of 99/88/AJ give you fold equity as well.

AA/KK's gonna look to get it all-in here which isn't so bad because his flop bet makes it clear he doesn't have a set. Not to mention that if you're raise is strong enough, he too might call and give you a free river, but you'll get to the turn when you get there if he just calls.

The pot's so big that a free river's not looking possible, so raise it up to $25 and commit your stack or better yet, just push. Taking down a 34bb pot with 9 hi ain't so bad in my book. Raising to $30' and pushing a vast majority of turns is my line, though.

Turn- What a great turn. OMFG!!! He's usually not making a sucker bet with AQ/KQ with 2 FD's on the board. You have $44 left. There's $33 in the pot he folds sooo much here and you win 30% of the times he calls.

River- As played, again, no way he has a Queen or a boat which has already been established, pushing isn't bad, but your actions'll reek of a busted club draw which is why I'd push here with a boat to some people.

Get out the limit-calling-station mode. You hit the gas 1-2 streets too late and got lucky, IMO.
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Postby Ichoi » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:16 pm

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Postby Calaziar » Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:44 am

If you were going to bluff, the turn was the time.
Reraising the flop was also an option but I think the turn raise/push is better.
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Postby Dumb Snowman » Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:44 am

The board is too draw heavy for you not to have raised the flop or turn. Don't believe it for a second.
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Postby Ichoi » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:52 am

How about this hand, trying to rep that I have top pair beat, thinking he has to lay it down if he has jacks here, and if he has better I'm not in completely awful shape, though I am committed. Spewing again?

Effective stacks $60, Villain (button) is 24/8.5/3 - 50 hands
Dealt [Td] [8d] in CO
2 Folds, Hero raises to $2, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop [Jd] [Th] [2s] pot $6.50
sb checks, Hero bets $5, button calls, sb folds.

Turn [Jd] [Th] [2s] [7d] Pot $16.50
hero checks, villain bets $8.50, hero raises to $25,
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Postby Zmej » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:29 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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