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How to fold pocket QQ or KK against AA 10$ NL @ stars ?

Postby Jossnaz » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:47 pm

I never know when I'm behind with these hands. Unfortunately I don't know when to fold.

The following hands were dealt to me, when someone else had AA.

a) Perhaps play these hands differently? Call preflop and somehow fold to the flop (hand 2)?
b) I think i play better than most NL10 players, so I should get disciplined folding QQ and KK to a huge reraise like in hand 1 and 3?





Hand 1)
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
5 players


Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with [Kc] [Kh]
UTG raises to $0.3, CO calls, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, UTG calls, CO raises all-in $7.15, Hero raises all-in $10.4.
Uncalled bets: $3.25 returned to Hero.

Flop: [2s] [Tc] [7c] ($-5.35, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $15.2)


Turn: [Qs] ($-5.35, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $15.2)


River: [2c] ($-5.35, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $15.2)


Results:
Final pot: $-5.35


Hand 2)
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players


Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with [Ks] [Kh]
Hero raises to $0.3, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: [Js] [9c] [2d] ($1, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.45, UTG+1 raises to $1.4, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.8, UTG+1 raises all-in $11.95, Hero calls all-in $7.1.
Uncalled bets: $2.05 returned to UTG+1.

Turn: [8s] ($20.8, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.8)


River: [7c] ($20.8, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $20.8)


Results:
Final pot: $20.8





Hand 3)
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players


Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with [Qs] [Qd]
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.2, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $5.5, Hero raises all-in $9.4, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: [9h] [6s] [4s] ($18.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.9)


Turn: [2d] ($18.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.9)


River: [8h] ($18.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $18.9)


Results:
Final pot: $18.9
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Postby DoctorHandles » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:01 pm

The better player should win the race. Always.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:12 pm

Hand #1: Raise more pre-flop. Raise to about $1.20 looks good. Don't min-raise. Obviously calling the all-in, especially at these stakes.

At these stakes you should not be looking for places to fold KK.
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Postby briachek » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:35 pm

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Postby kennyg » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:42 am

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Postby Jossnaz » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:28 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:47 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Alchemist » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:03 pm

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Postby Yenool » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:18 pm

Hmmm, I would never ever fold KK preflop at NL10 and virtually never at Nl25 or NL50, you need a serious load of hand histories in pokertracker telling you that a guy is a total rock (8% hands played or something) to even consider folding KK preflop at this level.

Hand 3 is the only hand I don't like, I don't like getting all in preflop with QQ because you are going to get people with AK playing and you create variance, I would rather call, see the flop and get all my money in if there are no over cards..... same result if you are up against KK or AA though.

On preflop raising at this level - I would say that generally you want 4xbb raise plus 1bb per limper, if you have a mega loose table you want to raise even more if you can get callers when your a big favorite - Basically the aim is to get the pot heads up or at worst 3 way.

On the flop in hand 2 you shouldn't be betting 45c into a $1 pot, if UTG just alls then SB is getting like 4-1 to call on any kind of draw or small poker pair to hit a set.
I would bet full pot here.
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Postby k3nt » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:52 pm

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Postby schlep » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:54 am

from my experience 4 betting is always a monster, if a short stack -50bb 4 bets me all-in or 3 bets i'm re-raising all-in everytime with KK there are too many times they have AK AQ or a lower pair to fold.

You can make the arguement that everyone is a donk at these limits but its just not true, at least when it comes to pre-flop decisions. If the player re-raising you doesnt seem like a lag tard donk then when you see the bet, 3-bet, all-in sequence preflop it is 95% time AA, at these limits aside from the shorties and donks. same goes with flop bets going bet, 3 bet, 4bet/all-in from my experience no one will fold TPTK unless they are super WT at these stakes so hardly anyone is playing a draw like this at these stakes barring reads from my experience they like to get 75% of their stack in before hitting the flush on the river just to push in the remaining $3. But from a decent player with a full stack or more these lines can almost always be perceived as very strong hands sets/slow played overpairs. Continually underestimating your opponents based upon the limits is a huge mistake to make at any time, and yes there are times to fold overpairs even in .05/.10 games against the right opponents.

There was another hand that isn't in my database but it went UTG raise i 3-bet with KK and he immediately pushed we both had full stacks he had AA.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($23.40)
UTG ($39.40)
MP ($5.30)
Hero ($29.85)
Button ($23.75)
SB ($20.55)

Preflop: Hero is CO with AImage, AImage.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.10) 6Image, 7Image, 3Image (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $1.75, Hero raises to $5, Button folds, BB calls $5, UTG raises to $38.4, Hero folds, BB calls $17.40 (All-In).

Turn: ($69.90) 8Image (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($69.90) 4Image (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $69.90

Results in white below:
BB has 6s 7d (two pair, sevens and sixes).
UTG has 6c 6d (three of a kind, sixes).
Outcome: UTG wins $69.90.
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