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Call this river? Or should I bet the turn? (200 NL 6max)

Postby GodlikeRoy » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:09 am

Villian in this hand is "sputnik3000" I have about 1,300 hands on him and he runs at 15/12/2.89. I'd say he's a winning player. He has 3bet me a few times already (on various tables) and i've been pretty active at this table (23/18 over 200 hands, more aggro in the past 30 hands or so because i've been getting good cards).

Anyway on to the hand. I think the flop call is standard (given my PF call) - I wasn't sure whether or not to bet the turn however. I decided on checking.

He bets the river and I had a hard time putting him on a hand. Call or fold?

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Postby Zmej » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:58 am

I would fold here as played. I probably would fold to his flop bet too, 18/12 is kind of tight/nitty. I think his 3 bet range OOP is like TT+, AK, so no set no call on flop.
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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:35 am

Looks like AK to me...maybe QQ...not KK/AA and only possibly AJ...I can find a call.
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Postby Xaston » Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:53 pm

Even I find a fold here most of the time.

I think a turn bet here is hot, because you can expect QQ-AA with no diamond to make a Phil Hellmuth laydown a respectable percentage of the time.
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:28 pm

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:20 pm

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby WayToGo » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:53 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:49 am

I called the flop because I thought there was a decent chance 99 is the best hand considering he had a huge 3bet range. On the turn, I figured by betting I would get all worse hands to fold and better hands to call/CRAI. I didn't really think i'd get to fold out a better hand. I also think he'd bet the turn with an overpair. On the river, my thought process eliminated big PPs from his range and I didn't think he'd valuebet AT or AJ here. I couldn't really put him on a hand, so I called. I was right on the fence though.
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Postby Rhound50 » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:06 pm

I totally agree with your thinking, the only thing I disagree with is him not folding a better hand. I think if you make a 2/3 pot bet he is probably going to have to at least consider folding a hand like 2 black Q's, K's, A's especially knowing his is probably going to have to call a bigger bet on the end. Also by betting the turn you allow yourself to possibily push him off A [Ad] or K [Kd] on the river if the flush draw doesnt hit. Sure you push out the hands that your are beating but most of those hands are AK AQ, KQ where he has a lot of outs especially if he has a diamond he is looking at 15+ outs. I am totally happy winning the pot right there if I can. I like the river call a lot, he either hand a big hand or a total bluff, figure you win 50% of the time.
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