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Flawed thinking with AA? (400$NL 5-H)

Postby Electrolux » Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:40 pm

I am OTB with [Ac] [Ah], with a stack of 370. I must have a relatively tight image since I have been card-dead.
Villain is UTG with 390. And seems reasonably good, and not to loose.

Villain raises to 20, I reraise to 65 and he calls.
Flop [3s] [5h] [Jh] (135)
He bets 20 and I only call. My thinking was that it was WA/WB. I didn't see him being on a FD, since the only one I could see was [Ah] [Kh], and I have that ace. So I had to put him on air, or a pair. In that case he could have hit a set and I am way behind, or he is drawing to 2 outs, and would fold to a raise. In other words, a raise would fold hand I beat. And a call could represent AK of hearts

Turn [6d] (175)
He checks, I bet 100, he CRAI for another 185 for me. I guess it is a clear fold, (what can I beat?) but I was stupid enough to call (the pot was 560 and callin 185).

How would you play flop and turn?
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Postby redhouse » Mon Dec 25, 2006 1:33 pm

edit: nvm. misread preflop action.
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Postby Zmej » Mon Dec 25, 2006 2:07 pm

what can I beat? KK, QQ for example.
In a reraised pot I would almost never fold AA for 100BB, no matter the flop.
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Postby Electrolux » Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:00 pm

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Postby Triple B » Mon Dec 25, 2006 11:41 pm

I would call the flop here exactly 0% of the time here.

If you want to get away from this, raise the flop and fold to a push. However, I'm not sure you should get away from this all the time. I assume villain had JJ here. If so, he played this like a donk. I love people that give away their hands with their bet sizes, and give you odds to outdraw them at the same time.
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Postby Electrolux » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:13 pm

He had 66 and turned the set.

I put him on that kind of hand, and figured he would have folded to a flop raise, and I wanted to keep him in, since he was draweing slim. But slim is still drawing :-(

I guess I'll take down the pot with a flop bet next time...
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Postby Yenool » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:58 pm

I would raise or bet the pot on the flop here nearly everytime, I don't see a reason for calling, his preflop actions look like a pair or AK, so why not bet, if he has a set you will find out right away, if not he is probably folding.

A flop with flush draws and straight draws is not a flop to start trying to milk a player with when you only have 1 pair.

By the turn it looks like you are beat, but I can't (although one probably should) fold on the turn, pot odds are good and he could be playing KK-QQ like a donk often enough to break even here.

Personally I think his preflop call stinks, once you re-raise to $65 and you only have 370 total starting stack he can't win enough even if he stacks you to justify calling IMO.

So basically, raise the flop, as played I call the turn and throw away another $200.
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Postby Xaston » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:22 pm

How does just calling the flop rep AK of hearts?
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Postby Electrolux » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:30 pm

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