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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:03 pm

Ok so as I've said before, the last 10,000 hands have sucked quite a deal. My bankroll is plenty big for NL$100 and I was running well before that, so it's not a major problem, but I'm still trying to improve my play.

I've been told several times "always CB heads up," and until recently I have been. But even as I have been CBing, I pretty much feel like I know whether or not I'm gonna get a fold. If I raise button and BB calls and checks to me on a K73 rainblow flop, I'm getting a fold just about every time. Likewise, when I've just been CBing like a robot OOP into bad boards, such as I raise CO and button calls and I lead with air on a 6[c]9[h][Th], I'm really not getting a fold the 45% of the time I need to make it profitable.

Anyways, here's my question. Do you think I'm just running badly over the last 10,000 and I still need to be CBing heads up just about every time (always assume I have no read), or should I start checking bad flops when I have no draw OOP as my results would suggest I need to.

I know I could figure this out with trial and error and writing down my results, but I'd rather just take the word from you ballers instead rather than pay the $$$ to figure out myself.

*For what it's worth, I'm just about always CBing with position heads up unless there's a very specific reason not to. I'm more concerned with CBing bad, drawy boards OOP.
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Postby k3nt » Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:04 pm

95% is the kind of number I was looking for. Right now my CB HU percentage is very very close to 100%. Maybe 100% on the dot at full ring games, a little less at 6-max.

Obviously a lot depends on your opponents. If you have a dumb-ass calling station then you CB less with zip and value bet more.

But the question I wonder about it is, what kinds of boards make up the 5% of the time you don't CB?

Let's get a teensy bit more specific. Say you raise [any two cards] on the button after 1 limper, the blinds fold, and the limper calls. You have no read on the limper at all. The flop comes x y z and the limper checks and you check behind -- not because of the player, but because you don't like the board. What are the cards x y z that made you decide to check behind? Or in this situation do you CB 100% of the time?

Doctorhandles suggests T96 with 2 of a suit as a bad board to CB, and Kxx as a good board to CB. Do you agree? If so, why?
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Postby Zmej » Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:29 pm

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:56 pm

Zmej where do you play?

I used to think you were really weak-tight (though still good), but pretty much the last 20 posts of yours I've read have been right on to what I've started thinking (like to stop CBing those J[h]T[h]5[c] flops with no read OOP). Since I've switched to Europeon sites all the advice I thought was a bit week tighty now seems right on.

Zmej when you say you wouldn't CB AK on a 25T board, I assume you mean in position right? You'd still usually CB OOP? Also if you do check behind in position, would you bet if he checked to you and a 6 turned or would you check behind again (assume no reads and board is rainbow)?

Thanks to everyone who has replied, I'm probably gonna have some more questions later.
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Postby thaninja » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:08 am

Excellent Thread. Great comments Zmej
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Postby schlep » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:43 am

Cb'ing everytime is not a profitable play unless you are playing a lag style and re-raising every time your cb is raised or welcome the action. and it is totally dependent on your read of the other player and his likely holdings... say he is the type to limp in the SB and call your raise in the BB you can cb this player on any A or K high board they will fold 90% of the time but call 100% of the time on a 10 3 5 flop and check call every street and bet out on the river easy bluff to pick off but why bother when you bet out on that A or K high flop and they call and you hold the best hand.

It also depends on my image I used to not bet out at A high flops when we see the flop 4 handed and I have nothing but I play a Tag style which allows me to bet out at these flops occasionaly say a loose passive or an aggressive 4 bettor calls behind me after I raise with KJ and the flop is Axx I will bet everytime because a good player would raise AQ or AK behind me (right?) if I get called I shut down to the WT that cold called a 4bb bet into a 12bb pot but this has been a profitable play so far.

the flops like JhThX i never bluff into 2 or 3 players there are too many combinations of hands that will cold call a bet on the flop and see a river never knowing where you stand. And by all means if you only raise %5 of your hands bet the hell out of any flop but an A or K just beware of the call stations.

I agree with Zmej's comments on betting the hands with the least amount of improvement i.e. undercards and underpairs this is also something I employ HU or in un-raised pots
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Postby Zmej » Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:22 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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