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QQ against a (good?) LAG, 400NL, 4handed

Postby Zmej » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:02 pm

Opponent, I'll call him LAG for simplicity runs at 54/31/ with AF on streets 9.8/4.7/infinity after 200 hands. First I thought that he is an aggro-fish, but a bit later I came to conclusion that he knows how to play postflop. His preflop play is rather good too, he 3 bet my raises a couple of time, I 4 bet him once with AK and he folded. I 3 bet his raises and he folded too. I don't have a specific read on him, I just suppose that 54/31 is unlikely to be a winning style even in 5max.

I was playing much more tight than normal, due to many raises and reraises by him, my stats for that session were 24/15/2/3/0.7

I will just post the hand history as it is. All comments are welcome.


Seat 2: Hero [Qs] [Qd] ($411.80 in chips)
Seat 3: U_R_Unreal ($394.00 in chips)
Seat 5: louone ($371.40 in chips)
Seat 8: LAG ($790.80 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
louone posts blind ($2), LAG posts blind ($4).

PRE-FLOP
Hero bets $14, U_R_Unreal folds, louone calls $12, LAG bets $60, Hero calls $50, louone folds.

FLOP (pot 130) [7c] [3d] [Kh]
LAG bets $80, Hero calls $80.

TURN (pot 290) [7c] [3d] [Kh] [2c]
LAG checks, Hero checks.

RIVER [7c] [3d] [Kh] [2c] [Jh]
LAG bets $300, Hero calls $267.80 and is all-in.
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- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
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Postby High Wired » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:07 pm

I think you played it perfectly. Only thing I can think of that might have been better would have been maybe 4 betting all-in preflop.

I think he's got jacks unfortunately and hit the riv, or possibly 1010.


how's that saying go TAG > LAG > CS >TAG > LAG > CS etc


nihan regardless imo. I think I would have played it the same way.
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Postby Tatarana » Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:31 pm

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Postby WayToGo » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:47 pm

Taking shots, one at a time.
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Postby ua1176 » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:17 pm

preflop and flop i think are optimal. a flop raise would be awful.
turn play i think is a necessary check. you don't win against Loose/Aggressive types by raising/reraising in situations like this.

river.....i dont know. IMO this doesnt look like K-x. i think you see big hands, and i think you see a bunch of bluffs.

the only thing that would make me think of folding here is that the [Jh] isn't really a scare card. but it becomes a question of "he knows that you know that his line looks bluffy," etc etc etc.

nice play either way. i can totally see the arguments for a river call and even if you lose....he'll take note of your call and you can exploit his response to it.

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Postby Zmej » Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:32 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby NorthView » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:17 am

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When I play a patient and relaxed game I win - that simple.

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Seriously, fuck poker.
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Postby Zmej » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:03 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby Dumb Snowman » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:24 pm

Partake in my bollocks, bloody chav!
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:19 pm

If he has any K, he played it perfectly.

As played, I bet that turn every time. Its the only way hes folding a marginal K.
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Postby ToastedMoses » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:13 am

I think you played this hand well. Aggression on any street (besides maybe a min to smallish raise on the flop) pretty much commits you. If this hand is goin to the felt, I really think you want him to put in the money first.
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Postby Zmej » Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:24 am

Results:
He had JJ.

I think that I played this hand well up to turn.
There I am a bit unsure. Betting big to fold Kx, as Ice suggested is no good. No one is folding top pair here. At least not me, and I guess he neither.

So IMO possible lines on turn, is to bet smallish so that he could call with underpair, or check allowing him to bluff with AQ, etc on the river, and making sure that he'll call a VB with underpair on the river.
"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when asked what CAD tools he used to design the Cray I supercomputer; he also recommended using the back side of the pages so that the grid lines were not so dominant.

"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
- Seymoure Cray (1925-1996) when he was told that Apple Inc. had recently bought a Cray supercomputer to help them design the next Mac.
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:43 am

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