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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:22 am

But tying for a pot would be such a good outcome for me at NL50, so no.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $50
UTG+1: $67.30
CO: $47.70
Button: $26.05
Hero: $44.50
BB: $63.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with [Ah] [As]
3 folds, Button calls, Hero raises to $3, BB calls, Button folds.

Flop: [5d] [Jd] [6d] ($6.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB is all-in $60.2, Hero calls all-in $41.5.
Uncalled bets: $18.7 returned to BB.

Turn: [Th] ($89.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $89.5)


River: [8d] ($89.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $89.5)


Results:
Final pot: $89.5
BB showed Ad Ac
Hero showed Ah As
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Postby ua1176 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:43 am

um....i think you can pretty safely fold the flop here.
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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:18 am

Why? Is folding to an obvious draw a smart thing to do? Obv I don't expect him to have AA here as its quite unlikely but I expect him to have something like AK with the Ad or KK with the Kd or some crap like that, so why would in a situation where I figure to be a favorite to win?
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:08 am

Because a lot of draws on that board are actually a favourite over you. Any pair + any diamond and you're behind. Any OESD with any diamond and you're behind. Gutshot + diamond and you're close to even money. Against a set you're way way behind. Against a hand like Ad Kx or Kd Kx you're only very slightly ahead. Against a flopped flush you're drawing dead to a running fullhouse. Against a one-pair hand without a diamond, you're a significant favourite.

Adding it all up, calling here is usually a way way behind or slightly ahead situation. Because his bet is such a huge overbet of the pot, I think it's -EV to call.

FWIW I wouldn't put him on AA, AK, or any decent hand here, as he limped OTB. I think it's much more likely for him to have a hand like SCs or a PP that hit a set. Maybe JQ or something, or Ax in diamonds or with just the Ad.
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Postby k3nt » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:42 am

Nobody with a made flush or a set pushes 60 into a 6 pot.

You may be slightly behind his range overall, but I don't hate the call.

Why did you check the flop though? I don't mind a check if you had the [Ad]. But here, say he has some crap like [3h][3d] you just gave him a free card to catch one of 11 outs.
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:28 pm

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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:14 pm

Wow it must be a cold day in hell when MVP is the voice of reason.
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