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Postby devil_Ax » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:08 pm

***** Hand History for Game 5768690242 *****
$25 PL Omaha - Wednesday, March 14, 14:05:13 ET 2007
Table Table 127793 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: WEINBURGER ( $25.60 )
Seat 3: DannyB139 ( $39.58 )
Seat 6: parturi ( $120.51 )
Seat 8: Finshark18 ( $18.05 )
Seat 5: axel25111 ( $23.20 )
Seat 10: AltF477 ( $14.58 )
Seat 7: luckickus001 ( $89.03 )
Seat 2: xxP0Lxx ( $25.55 )
Seat 9: Keefan ( $47.54 )
Seat 4: DaddyDurstig ( $14.75 )
DannyB139 posts small blind [$0.10].
DaddyDurstig posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to axel25111 [ 4s 5c Kd Kc ]
axel25111 calls [$0.25]
parturi calls [$0.25]
Finshark18 calls [$0.25]
Keefan calls [$0.25]
AltF477 calls [$0.25]
WEINBURGER calls [$0.25]
xxP0Lxx folds.
DannyB139 calls [$0.15]
DaddyDurstig checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, Qd, 3s ]
DannyB139 checks.
DaddyDurstig checks.
axel25111 bets [$1.90]
parturi calls [$1.90]
Finshark18 calls [$1.90]
Keefan folds.
AltF477 folds.
WEINBURGER calls [$1.90]
DannyB139 folds.
DaddyDurstig folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
axel25111 bets [$3]
parturi calls [$3]
Finshark18: lol
Finshark18 folds
WEINBURGER calls [$3]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
axel25111 bets [$5]
parturi folds.
WEINBURGER is all-In.
axel25111: QQ?
axel25111: this is hard
axel25111 is all-In.
axel25111 shows [ 4s, 5c, Kd, Kc ]a full house, Kings full of Queens.
WEINBURGER shows [ Kh, Qc, 2h, Qs ]four of a kind, Queens.
WEINBURGER wins $2.40 from side pot #1 with four of a kind, Queens.
WEINBURGER wins $52 from the main pot with four of a kind, Queens.
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Postby devil_Ax » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:17 pm

i really get into alot of this focking situations, and in bad pos too. if i was in last pos, maybe i could bet his hand out?? i really dont know!!!!
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Postby Ojingo » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:28 pm

This happens every now and then and you'll see it at least once a week if you play a lot. At the $25s you should almost always lose your stack here. You do NOT WANT HIM TO FOLD!!
Not only is his flop call extremely profitable in the long run, but remember also that you'll also be on the receiving end sometimes when you flop or turn quads.

Best thing is to develop some masochistic kind of enjoyment for these things.
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Postby pokerzen » Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:48 pm

The only thing I regret about the way you played your hand is that you didn't bet more on the flop and turn.

I keep a sub-journal on how often I run into quads with my full house. Don't worry about it. Rule of thumb, even in Omaha (especially at these levels) ... if you have either quads over my full house, or a straight flush against my A-high flush or better ... you are getting paid sir.
<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby pokerzen » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:20 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby devil_Ax » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:29 pm

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Postby pokerzen » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:51 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:24 pm

This is a good spot to CR - multiple players, so a bet is likely, and with a bet plus a call or two you can make a significant raise. I would sometimes even check-call here and look to push on a safe turn as a change of pace.

I wouldn't be scared by the Q on the turn at all and there is NO WAY you can get away from this - the way you've played the hand, any boat could be raising the river. Even if we just narrow it down to KQ or QQ, the KQ is twice as likely (there are two combinations of KQ and only one combo to make QQ) and will play it the same, so it's +EV to get it all in. QQ is also likely to raise on the flop so KQ looks more likely anyhow. That's not even CONSIDERING Qx for a low boat, which is a possible hand here for a player at this level to be getting aggressive.

If you have an enormous stack here you shouldn't lose it, but you should bet or raise at least once on the river and you should get all your stack in even if it's large at this level.
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Postby pokerzen » Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:37 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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