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Postby Zwheito » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:37 pm

legil is a regular running at 18/11, but the last hour, after I stacked him with a str8 vs his two pair+FD, he seems to follow me and has started to call a lot of my raises and do some moves postflop. I am 9 -tabling, so he might think I don't have any reads at all.

I think he views me as TAG who sometimes get a bit too aggressive postflop and fold when meeting resistance (I've been CBing all the time and folding to his raises a lot.) I think he's also fed up with me stealing his blinds.

I'm running at 21/16.

Russ20059 is brand new. No reads at all.

People who are minraising PF normally have a big pair and no matter what thay have they will always bet the flop, so I think it's OK to go for a CR at the flop. I should probably have CR a bit bigger though.

Does he have the str8 er TT here enought to make the turn a fold?

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Game #3525920263: Hold'em NL ($1/$2) - 2007/03/19 - 20:19:46 (CET)
Table "Demeter" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: legil ($376.25 in chips)
Seat 2: wokiee ($200 in chips)
Seat 3: mickeyo7 sits out
Seat 4: Loser18 ($385 in chips)
Seat 5: Russ20059 ($194.21 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero($427.25 in chips)
MrSuckOut: posts small blind $1
legil: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Hero [4h] [4d]
wokiee: folds
Loser18: folds
Russ20059: calls $2
Hero: raises to $8
legil: calls $6
mickeyo7 sits back
Russ20059: raises to $14
Hero: calls $6
legil: calls $6
----- FLOP ----- [3s] [4s] [Tc] Pot: 42
Hero: checks
legil: checks
Russ20059: bets $14
Hero: raises to $44
legil: calls $44
Russ20059: calls $30
----- TURN ----- [3s] [4s] [Tc] [2h] Pot 174
Hero: bets $100
legil: raises to $318.25 and is all-in
Russ20059: folds
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Postby Danhdan » Mon Mar 19, 2007 2:49 pm

I think on the flop you should have raised more, maybe to $60 or as high as $75. $84 is a pot sized raise, and with the minimum limp reraise on the flop, I'm trying to get Russ' stack in ASAP because it really feels like an overpair there...either that or he's an uberdonkey. As for the other guy...he coldcalled a bet and raise on the flop, and then pushed the turn. It feels really like a slowplayed set here more than him hitting the straight, but I'm not sure. Either way, the only hand you are getting crushed from is TT and he could have 33. He could also have the straight, but right now the pot is $592.25 and it will cost you $218.25, so you are getting 2.71 to call here and you have the 4th nuts. Plus, opponent probably doesn't put you on a set here, and could be doing this with KK or AA possibly or even a draw(although I think the draw is more unlikely).

I think a call is fine. I don't think you absolutely have to call, but I'm calling here. This would be easier if you pushed that flop harder.
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Postby Zmej » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:08 pm

Nice screen name, if you are really good at suck outs you can call turn and don't think twice :).

Seriously, though.
I would go for a bet-3bet line on flop here. If you CR make it bigger.

I would also bet turn bigger and wouldn't have a problem calling AI.

As played turn looks like a marginal fold, your hand looks like a set to 'legil' and with his push he is not trying to make you both fold. Obviously he puts the limp-reraiser on a big pair and fully expects a call from him, so I would boil his range down to TT, 33, 56s, [As] [5s] I think that call is -EV with this range.
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Postby Zwheito » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:41 pm

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Postby AlexMR » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:52 pm

[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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Postby Twelver » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:22 pm

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

Heat517163 (5:05:37 PM): black people man
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Postby Zwheito » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:29 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:36 pm

You were getting 2.7-1. He a little more likely to have 33 than TT since he didnt reraise preflop but you can almost cancel those out against each other if you want to call it even.

He could have some sort of pair and draw or flush and straight draw which youre way ahead of and getting great odds. Youre almost getting correct odds to call if the guy had a straight.

The guy could have flat called with an overpair.

Add those all together and its NOT a great laydown by Zmej. When you raise 44 and hit a set you should almost never be folding. When you raise 44, and call a reraise and hit a set, you should never fold on this board.
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Postby Zmej » Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:29 am

"#3 pencils and quadrille pads."
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"Interesting - I use a Mac to help me design the next Cray."
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