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How bad did I play this? Bottom set+OESFD PLO SH

Postby Pok 7's » Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:34 pm

Hope you guys are looking for some discussion in this section :lol: . Since I've been playing nothing but PLO the last few days you'll probably be hearing a lot from me.... I post a lot of hands when I'm learning a game.

Alright I realize I played this hand absoloutely horrible. I can recognize that :) . My question is how should I have played it? I'm guessing as played we fold the river.

This is also why I haven't ventured above $10 PLO yet :oops:

PokerStars Game #9225770008: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2007/04/03 - 00:59:58 (ET)
Table 'Helwerthia' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: BooYah4 ($6.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 5: JonnyBG ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 6: tony-billy ($3.55 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $0.05
JonnyBG: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Tc] [Th] [Kc] [Jh]
tony-billy: calls $0.10
BooYah4: folds
Hero: calls $0.05
JonnyBG: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ts] [Qh] [Kh]
Hero: bets $0.30
JonnyBG: raises $0.90 to $1.20
tony-billy: folds
Hero: calls $0.90
*** TURN *** [Ts] [Qh] [Kh] [2c]
jillnik joins the table at seat #3
Hero: checks
JonnyBG: bets $2.60
Hero: calls $2.60
*** RIVER *** [Ts] [Qh] [Kh] [2c] [3s]
Hero: checks
JonnyBG: bets $6.15 and is all-in
Toxophilite: calls $5.90 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JonnyBG: shows [9s Jd Ah 8c] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
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Postby pokerzen » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:10 am

At 50PLO or higher, I would fold this to the flop bet. (Bottom set and top 2 pair are very similar value-wise.) To continue in the hand I would play it this way:

He had the straight on the flop and was shutting out your odds on a boat. Call the flop bet just in case you hit your Ace on the turn, or the board pairs up. If the board paired and he was STILL being majorly aggressive on the turn ... it's time to bail. (BTW I hadn't looked at the results when I posted that ... but yeah he was pretty straightforward about his holdings.)

EDIT: I wasn't even looking for flushes ... given that you had a *very* nice backdoor flush draw I would continue with this hand until the river, but yah you nailed it ... fold to that river bet.
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<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby DonCologne » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:11 am

You have a good made hand but it is obviously he has at the moment the nuts. But even with his nuts (AJxx) you are a 3:2 favorite with the flush, full house and quads draw you will win the pot, if he not holds the nut flush draw. You have 15 outs at the flop and 17 outs at the turn + 2 outs to split the pot.

If he has the nut flush redraw you are an 2:3 dog but it is more likley he did not have this redraw. You have a higher pot equity than villian and so reraise his bet at the flop and call the push people do at this level, even if they not holding a redraw.

If he holds a higher set it will be a good coin flip for you (52% for you if he holds Kings and 60% if he holds Queens).

As played call the turn and fold the river bet.
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Postby briachek » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:33 pm

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Postby pokerzen » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:38 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby DonCologne » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:43 pm

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Postby pokerzen » Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:47 pm

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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Postby briachek » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:56 pm

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Postby briachek » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:11 pm

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Postby Ojingo » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:25 am

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Postby pokerzen » Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:02 am

<Big_Leon> start with the RAZZ tourney?
<pokerzen1> when did the razz tourney start?
<Big_Leon> starts in 2 minutes
<Big_Leon> just drew seats
<pokerzen1> too late then
<pokerzen1> damn damn damn
<Big_Leon> no, it's not too late gogogogogo
<pokerzen1> what's the tourney number?
<Big_Leon> 55852225
<Big_Leon> password is - irunbad i think
<Big_Leon> irunbad
<pokerzen1> made it :)
<pokerzen1> okay now how do you play razz?
<Big_Leon> i have no idea
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