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Bad push on a draw?

Postby username_disallowed » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:09 pm

One of my first days playing PLO, at a $25 FR Table. No reads on any players, just playing the cards. At the end of the hand, table erupts in standard 'fish'/'donk' comments. How bad?

Wakabayashi is at seat 0 with $28.52.
LawN4cer is at seat 1 with $8.50.
wdr is at seat 2 with $77.07.
TRAPPER1124 is at seat 3 with $10.
SELF is at seat 4 with $42.72.
fashionman18 is at seat 5 with $46.29.
ken aces is at seat 6 with $33.11.
TDHFWT is at seat 7 with $9.75.
clubIda is at seat 8 with $98.22.
Suicyde2323 is at seat 9 with $42.19.
The button is at seat 0.

LawN4cer posts the small blind of $.10.
wdr posts the big blind of $.25.

Wakabayashi: -- -- -- --
LawN4cer: -- -- -- --
wdr: -- -- -- --
SELF: Kd Tc 3d Qs
fashionman18: -- -- -- --
TDHFWT: -- -- -- --
clubIda: -- -- -- --
Suicyde2323: -- -- -- --

Pre-flop:

SELF calls. fashionman18 folds. TDHFWT folds.
clubIda folds. Suicyde2323 folds. Wakabayashi
folds. LawN4cer calls. wdr checks

Preflop UTG call seems fine, not much raising at this level, and raising doesn't thin field at all.

Flop (board: 8d Ad Jc):

LawN4cer checks. wdr bets $.75. SELF calls.
LawN4cer folds.

Call with nut flush and a mini wrap draw (I'm counting 17 nut outs -- 7-Ds, 3-Ks, 2-Qs, 2-Ts, and 3-9s) Is a raise more appropriate?


Turn (board: 8d Ad Jc 5c):

wdr bets $2.25. SELF raises to $9. wdr re-raises
to $29.25. SELF goes all-in for $41.72. wdr
calls.

Turn is a blank, maybe stregthens his redraw. Still hoping on my big draw, I push. Of course that club takes 4 outs away. Shoulda done it on the flop? Or, just call, saving if I miss? As I look at it now, I think all-in on flop, or call to see the river are better options since my draw isn't as monstrous as before.

River (board: 8d Ad Jc 5c 9d):

(no action in this round)

Showdown:

SELF shows Kd Tc 3d Qs.
SELF has Kd 3d 8d Ad 9d: flush, ace high.
wdr mucks cards.
(wdr has Jh Ac 8h Jd.)


Hand #40568084-11927 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $85.69.
SELF wins $82.69 with flush, ace high.

So, how bad was my play, and how about villain? All-in with 2ndSet and blocking 2 of his boat draws. Of course, he is probably figuring I don't have AA since he holds one. Also, now that I see his cards, maybe flop raise puts him on defense and I don't make this profit
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Postby bassline » Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:31 pm

Taking a shot here.

Calling or raising the flop are viable options because you have a very strong draw and you
would want to build the pot in case you hit on the turn or as a semibluff so otherwise you could check behind on the turn in case you miss.

You are not worried about shoveling as many chips as you can on the flop because
against two pair you are a favorite and against a set it is close (im not sure who is the favorite in the scenario).

Villain seems to like his hand in order to bet the pot on the turn (probably a made hand)
in which case raising the turn is a mistake. I would prefer to call the turn as the hand was played because against a made hand you are now behind.

If the stacks were deeper then raising the flop is clearly the best play.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:19 am

You need to raise the flop, that's a very weak call. Having called the flop I think I'd call the turn.
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