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Postby LuparFiend » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:24 pm

I'm struggling with this for the last couple days.

The situation: I have a good, but not great hand, or the board is very drawy. I am in position, raise PF, get checked to after the flop, and they call my flop continuation bet.

I know it depends on the player and the board, but here are two examples.

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Villain in this hand was running at 37/10/0.70

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SB: $100.85
BB: $93.55
UTG: $100
CO: $199.40
Hero (BTN): $98.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt [Kh] [Ah] (5 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7) [9d] [Ks] [Qc] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6

Turn: ($19) [9c] (2 Players)
BB checks

Should I check behind and keep the pot small? Bet Here because there could be draws, and I don't want to give odds for them to hit?

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Villain in this hand was running at 32/20/1.5

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SB: $94.50
BB: $100
UTG: $101.50
MP: $124.10
Hero (CO): $98.50
BTN: $96.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt [Kc] [Qc] (6 Players)
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($7) [Ks] [7c] [9h] (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($19) [4h] (2 Players)
SB checks

I'm pretty sure i should fire a bet here. No real draws out there. But what to do if called and/or raised?
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Postby Danhdan » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:32 pm

I like firing a bet in Hand 1 over Hand 2 just based on aggression factors. Hand 1 villain won't be giving you any more money if you check the turn and bet the river unless he has you beat, and Hand 2 villain will probably pay you off more on the turn.

I don't mind checking both hands though, that is usually how I would play them to induce some kind of bluff...but I doubt Hand 1 villain would bluff in that spot given stats.

I guess another reason to check Hand 2 is that there really wasn't any draws and he called you on the flop...controlling the pot with TPTK is pretty important to me, and I would like to see a showdown and not get CR'ed off the hand.
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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:37 pm

Good players will CR the turn on a draw, so that's another reason to check for pot control. I often check behind in these spots. Not hand 2 tho, that's a clear spot to fire a 2nd round.
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Postby Danhdan » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:40 pm

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Postby Zmej » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:49 pm

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Postby shamdonk » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:04 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:23 pm

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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:12 pm

Hand 1: I think there are good arguements for both betting and checking. I think it the deciding factor to me is what are the odds of getting CR. On this turn I dont want to play a big pot. Though this isnt a super draw heavy board unless he has a pair and a draw hand. BK double check the hand KQ didnt get counterfeit he still has a better 2 pair than you do. The only way he can think he got counterfeit is if he puts you on AA.

Hand 2: I am more likely to check behind here, there is almost no draw on the board. You only have 1 pair and a decent kicker. There are very few hands that have lots of outs against you. On a blank river you will induce a lot of bluffs. If he checks the river you almost always have the best hand.
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Postby LuparFiend » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:51 am

If anyone is interested in results, I checked behind on both of them.

Hand 1, River was [8s], and he led for $12 and I called. He showed [Jd] [9h]

Hand 2, River was [3s]. He checked, and I made a value bet of $11. He check-raised to $33. :shock: I called, and he showed [Kh] [3h]
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:02 am

I check behind on hand #2 and bet hand #1. I disagree with BK. very few people check raise the turn with draws after you raised preflop and bet the flop AND turn.

I check behind hand #2 sometimes to get more money out of a bad floater that will value bet his 98 or 66 on the river after I check the turn.

Hand #1 is too likely that the guy had QT or JT type hand and I dont want to give him a free card.
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Postby AlexMR » Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:08 am

[17:16] alitomr: http://micropenis.ws/forum/viewtopic.php?t=723
[17:19] mekosking: wow
[17:19] mekosking: i give that poof a week tops
[17:19] mekosking: before he snuffs it
[17:19] mekosking: I THINK THAT MAY BE NV
[17:20] mekosking: IN DISGUISE
[17:20] alitomr: LOLZ
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