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KK $315 deep, 4bet preflop but I want to fold. (200nl 5m)

Postby SinkRox » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:06 am

Villain is 40 / 16.

Even though rubbish stats, he wasnt getting out of line and seemed to be cruising along maintainig his stack. I hadnt seen him make any big bluffs and thought by the river all I was beating was a bluff, and a very big one. I hated his turn bet, felt like a real sucker 'call me' bet - why would he do this with TT or JJ. He's likely to fold them preflop anyhow. I just really felt he had QQ or AA here.... can anyone find a fold, and where?

Seat 1: Hero [Kd],[Ks] ($569.25)
Seat 2: ladoga ($40.80)
Seat 3: laura15 x ($210.75)
Seat 9: Villain ($314.90)
ANTES/BLINDS
laura15 x posts blind ($1), Villain posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Hero bets $8, ladoga calls $8, laura15 x calls $7, Villain bets $20, Hero bets $77, ladoga folds, laura15 x folds, Villain calls $63.

FLOP [Qs],[6d],[4c] ($186)
Villain checks, Hero checks.

TURN [2c] ($186)
Villain bets $88, Hero calls $88.

RIVER [2s] ($362)
Villain bets $141.90
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Postby SinkRox » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:10 am

PS the guys sandwiched in the middle where fish, so if I flat call his raise to $20 pre, they will both call and I didnt wanna play KK in a bloated multiway pot vs their random hands.
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Postby kennyg » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:37 am

Since you checked the flop I imagine he makes the same bet with AQ and KK, possibly even jacks.

you're getting like 3.5 to 1. Don't think you can fold just based on the math.
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:42 am

I agree with Kenny, but I think checking the flop is a mistake when the pot is that big preflop.
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Postby black_knight6 » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:01 am

You kept the pot small, easy call.
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Postby Zeestein » Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:05 am

theres 12 combos of AQ, 3 of QQ and 6 of AA

Now u have the reads, work out if he bets this much with AQ.

I probably call due to the absolute strength of our hand on this board and the odds I'm getting but wouldn't like it much. I just think making a super fancy fold for like 1/2 pot on the river is too clever with really exact reads.
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Postby SinkRox » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:20 pm

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