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Postby euri10 » Thu May 19, 2005 4:52 am

Am I counting right here or WTF ??? The guy has 13 outs if I'm not making any mistakes : 3 sixes, 3 fives, 3 threes and 4 aces.
How can I be a 56% favorite only without any flush draw on this rainbow board ????
I found this number pretty ridiculous.


http://twodimes.net/h/?z=963363
pokenum -o 6s 5d 8h 3d - jc ks kc 9c -- 4s kd 2h
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 4s Kd 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
6s 5d 3d 8h 362 44.15 458 55.85 0 0.00 0.441
Ks Kc Jc 9c 458 55.85 362 44.15 0 0.00 0.559


PokerStars Game #1721108203: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/05/18 - 13:05:29 (ET)
Table 'Algieba' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Doli ($102.90 in chips)
Seat 2: benovitch ($186.05 in chips)
Seat 3: jdchance ($268 in chips)
Seat 4: Sordhal ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 5: nopac23 ($99 in chips)
Seat 6: viverrinus ($239.05 in chips)
Seat 7: Jakie ($39 in chips)
Seat 8: dans macabre ($88.50 in chips)
Seat 9: SAIIDNOB ($114.20 in chips)
Sordhal: posts small blind $0.50
nopac23: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to benovitch [Jc] [Ks] [Kc] [9c]
viverrinus: folds
Jakie: calls $1
dans macabre: folds
SAIIDNOB: calls $1
Doli: calls $1
benovitch: raises $5.50 to $6.50
jdchance: folds
Sordhal: calls $6
nopac23: folds
Jakie: folds
SAIIDNOB: calls $5.50
Doli: calls $5.50
*** FLOP *** [4s] [Kd] [2h]
Sordhal: checks
SAIIDNOB: checks
Doli: checks
benovitch: bets $26.60
Sordhal: calls $6 and is all-in
SAIIDNOB: folds
Doli: raises $69.80 to $96.40 and is all-in
benovitch: calls $69.80
*** TURN *** [4s] [Kd] [2h] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [4s] [Kd] [2h] [8c] [Qd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Doli: shows [6s 5d 8h 3d] (a pair of Eights)
benovitch: shows [Jc Ks Kc 9c] (three of a kind, Kings)
benovitch collected $180 from side pot
Sordhal: mucks hand
benovitch collected $43.80 from main pot
Sordhal leaves the table
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $226.80 Main pot $43.80. Side pot $180. | Rake $3
Board [4s Kd 2h 8c Qd]
Seat 1: Doli showed [6s 5d 8h 3d] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: benovitch showed [Jc Ks Kc 9c] and won ($223.80) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 3: jdchance (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Sordhal (small blind) mucked [4h Ah 9d 8s]
Seat 5: nopac23 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: viverrinus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Jakie folded before Flop
Seat 8: dans macabre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: SAIIDNOB folded on the Flop
I cried because I had no draw, until I met a man with no pair>>>MVSPORTS
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Postby JDLush » Thu May 19, 2005 7:42 am

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Postby euri10 » Thu May 19, 2005 8:01 am

sure it's better on the turn but wahoooooooooooooooo it means that with a 3rd opponent on that hand who would have called the warp raiser, my correct move maybe was a fold, no ?
I cried because I had no draw, until I met a man with no pair>>>MVSPORTS
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Thu May 19, 2005 12:23 pm

No because you'd have to be below 33% on the hand (in fact nearer 25%, given money in the pot) 3-handed for it to be a fold. Against any two opponents on that flop you cannot have much less than 50% equity. Against one guy with a wrap you're in good shape, but 56% is perhaps not as high as you'd expect, no. Usually in the set vs wrap scenario, you'll have a card or two that hurt his wrap (or he'll have a pair in it etc) and then your % starts jumping into the 60s and beyond. This is basically the best-case scenario for a wrap on a rainbow board, and it's still a dog.
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