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Postby paulee » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:46 pm

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) from (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($200)
UTG ($296.45)
UTG+1 ($188.70)
MP1 ($145.75)
MP2 ($200)
MP3 ($200)
CO ($657)
Button ($115.30)
Hero ($338.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7Image, 6Image.
UTG raises to $6, 1 fold, MP1 calls $6, MP3 calls $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $5, BB calls $4.

Flop: ($30) 8Image, 3Image, 5Image (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $18, MP1 raises to $36, MP3 calls $36, Hero ???

I'm pretty sure UTG is going to push when it comes back to him and MP1 looks like a set. Thus no fold equity by pushing first. Standard fold?
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Postby iceman5 » Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:53 pm

MP1 min raised the flop is a pot that was raised preflop and it has several players in the hand. He has a set most of the time here.

You dont close the action and even if you hit, you might still get stacked if the board pairs. I turbomuck this.
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Postby paulee » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:10 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:51 am

Youre not taking his stack 100% of the time when you hit. Hes going to river the boat 21% of the time.

You math wizzes can correct me if Im wrong but, youre going to hit the straight on the turn about 1 time in 6.5.....so you lose $36 5.5 times and hit the straight one time. Of all the times you hit the straight, yore going to get stacked 1 time in 5 and stack him 4 times out of 5.

This doesnt account for all the times that you put in $36 and then have to fold when UTG shoves all in like he did here. Not accounting for those times heres what I come up with.

Lose $36 x 5.5 = $198

The one time you hit the straight on the turn..

You win about $220 80% of the time and lose $150 20% for a total of = +$146

$198-$146 = $52 / 6.5 = $8

Figure in the times you put in $36 and then fold to the reraise all in and I would say its slightly negative EV unless you can stack more than one guy some percentage of the time.

I pass.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:37 am

"Are the players better as the stakes go up? It's not an exam; it's a buyin." Barry Tanenbaum
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Postby iceman5 » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:47 pm

Yeah, if more guys are going to put a decent chunk of money in, then go for it. Thats hard to predict though.
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