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PLO8 $100 - Top set and not happy

Postby Stoneburg » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:00 pm

I've got almost a triple stack and my image is great if I have one.

Villain #1 is UTG has $125 and I have no read, he's UTG.
Villain #2 is in LP has $80 and seems loose/bad/passive
Villain #3 is the SB has $26 and is a fish on tilt

Villains all limp and I am in the BB with AA26 suited in clubs. I raise to $5 and they all call.

Flop comes A46 with a heart draw (I have no hearts)

I bet $20, villain #1 and #2 calls, fish on tilt folds.

Turn is the [Kh].

I check (?). Villain #1 bets $9, Villain #2 pushes for $54.

I.... ?
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Postby DaFish » Mon Jun 18, 2007 6:12 pm

Looks like you're way behind, so it's a fold.

I did a simulation even without anyone having hearts and you were at 26% equity.

With a made flush it was like 12%

Sure I picked random hands but they seemed reasonable (hands containing made lows)

Sets are really weak in this game ???
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Postby DonCologne » Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:38 pm

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Postby Kuso » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:56 am

i agree with dc that this is actually an ugly flop for you. with change your 6 to a 5, and i'd be all in. as played, i'd fold. you're probably beat and you don't close the action. that being said, there are some exceptions (see below).

ok... street by street (too many things going through my head):

pf - i usually prefer to check my option here rather than raise. it's too easy to get called and have to play a tricky hand in a raised pot oop. the only way i like a raise is if i think i can get it HU most of the time and 3-handed the rest. unlikely here. also, in general, i have low expectations even for big hands oop in loose showdown games. that being said, the raise certainly isn't bad, but you have to be able to play well after the flop.

flop - this is the kind of flop that really tests the pfr. most of your options (bet, check/call, and check/fold) are not very good -- they either are bad on this street, make later streets tougher to play, or are weak. i would prefer a CR, but can you count on someone to bet for you? one reason i like the check pf is that it gives your hand a lot of deception value, and you can trap people later.

fwiw, i think you can call/jam on the flop if you think your low draw has a good chance of being good and/or your can push utg off anything other than the nuts, but that takes some stellar reads.

another side note... i see this move by villain #2 with 23xx and no high quite a bit. if you have him targeted as this kind of player, i'd be tempted to push since UTG can only really call with a monster (e.g., 23, 23 with flush, or nut flush).

the final side note... your oop play gives the LP player great odds to chase a lot of draws since you have someone in between. i just find this to be a HUGE strategic disadvantage for you, and i love to take advantage of people who play this way. again, in a tight-aggro game with lots of HU flops, a pfr is really good (esp if you do it with a wide range).


i'm so tired now... apologies if this sounds confusing. i hope it helps.
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Postby Stoneburg » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:43 am

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