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Postby chrischriscarlcarl » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:35 am

I've only been playing for a handful of months, so i've taken the sensible route of playing low limits. I've just after some advice, for playing more aggressive on the turn and river. I'll just post a hand which i lost and wondering how you guys may have played it differently. I'm machineax btw -0) I usually only bet turn/river with possible draws on.

GAME #582651830: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2007-06-23 10:43:42
Table Reza (Beginner)
Seat 1: SteffiSteffi ($5.13 in chips)
Seat 2: FIRSOFF ($1.90 in chips)
Seat 3: machineax ($5.48 in chips)
Seat 4: H4teU ($19.99 in chips)
Seat 5: dimttt ($9.03 in chips)
Seat 6: moonboot ($10.73 in chips)
Seat 7: TROTROFOR ($3.81 in chips)
Seat 8: tomheine ($8.05 in chips) DEALER
Seat 9: diedbaas ($7.85 in chips)
Seat 10: eloRap ($13.68 in chips)
diedbaas: Post SB $0.05
eloRap: Post BB $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to machineax [Ah] [Qs]
SteffiSteffi: Fold
FIRSOFF: Fold
machineax: Raise $0.20
H4teU: Fold
dimttt: Fold
moonboot: Fold
TROTROFOR: Fold
tomheine: Call $0.20
diedbaas: Fold
eloRap: Fold
*** FLOP *** [Ad] [Js] [3h]
machineax: Bet $0.30
tomheine: Raise $0.60
machineax: Call $0.30
*** TURN *** [Kd]
machineax: Check
tomheine: Bet $0.30
machineax: Call $0.30
*** RIVER *** [6h]
machineax: Check
tomheine: Bet $1.00
machineax: Call $1.00
tomheine shows [Jh] [Jc]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.14 Rake $0.21
tomheine: wins $4.14

These are my PT AF stats, which is based on only 1000hands now(which isn't enough, but gives a reasonable indictation of my style)

F - 3.55
T - 0.70
R - 0.65

BB 100 = 17.95

This was on of my poorer hands. I only raised 2x BB with AQ with was passive preflop and i've been making sure i go 3-5bb since. I was out of postion - but bet at the pot with AQ - but then went timid after being re raised. As he seemed quite a passive player and i thought, he may have been on two pair or a set.

As i had top pair, would a re raise been more advisable here? for more information? if he goes all in- then i just fold?

Say for example.. i bet 0.30, he calls and with my Q, with A kicker i'd probably just check/call it down to the showdown being out of position(this is negative, its unlikey that he might have A,A..K,K two pair, a set etc..but i like to keep it cheap with only one pair - even though its very likely i'm ahead)- also on turn with only one moer card to come - he/she is unlikely to improve on a high card, even a low chance of him improving his pair(. But, instead of calling, is it just better to bet out at the pot on turn, river with aggression and look to take the pot down at every opportunity. I guess, i'm fearful of the reraise, but if he reraised me. I could always fold it on the turn or river. What size bet, would you make on turn/river half pot/3/4??

ahahh call me stupid - but what is the massive benefit of aggression when you don't have any draws on turn and river? why is checking or just callling so bad, if u see the showdown anyway - ur keeping it relatively cheap. I can't c why being aggressive is so much better than checking, calling it doesn't seem massively advantageous.

Well, any tips, advice would be much appreciated. I wouldn't mind moving up to 10/20cents oo big money in the next few weeks. As, i have $120 profit to play around with. Cheers, for any help.

Maybe, if i move up a few levels, i'll see it with my own eyes. But with many weak players at 05/10 and having won quite alot at PP and now at titanpoker(although its early days) well, quite alot in relation to the blinds. I can't see the errors in my ways. Please, help the fish out. Thanks.

One more thing -) when i thikn i'm ahead... and get called on the turn with Q with A kicker. I'll start betting turn and river from now. See, if i get some better results.. its hard to change ur style when its winning though. I find A, Q semi marginal when raised to a caller.. perhaps not.
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Postby Jossnaz » Sun Jul 01, 2007 10:50 am

I fold flop to a minraise 100% if I dont have a draw or a really great hand... especially at your limits. If you had KQ there you may think about calling as you most likely will take his stack when you hit.

opponents often think "my hand is a monster, I have to raise! But how much? I dont want him to lay his hand down!" and then they minraise.
Always bet on duke
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Postby chrischriscarlcarl » Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:01 pm

Here's a hand, when i found out i was a mouse on PT - my EGO took a battering ahahah so, i thougth i'd up the aggression a bit -) probably fine play.

GAME #586899338: Texas Hold'em NL $0.05/$0.10 2007-06-28 16:08:35
Table Reza (Beginner)
Seat 1: Kasari ($3.18 in chips)
Seat 2: Eftijones ($0.90 in chips)
Seat 3: TheKink ($7.98 in chips)
Seat 4: TTR62954652 ($2.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Phatnoz ($3.10 in chips)
Seat 6: machineax ($8.21 in chips) DEALER
Seat 7: langoust ($8.55 in chips)
Seat 8: GrandDuke6 ($2.00 in chips)
Seat 9: SEANSHADES ($22.97 in chips)
Seat 10: arnerol ($4.82 in chips)
langoust: Post SB $0.05
GrandDuke6: Post BB $0.10
TTR62954652: Post BB $0.10

Holecards:
Dealt to machineax [ D10 C10 ]
SEANSHADES: Call $0.10
FOLD arnerol
FOLD Kasari
FOLD Eftijones
FOLD TheKink
TTR62954652: Check
FOLD Phatnoz
machineax : Raise $0.40
FOLD langoust
FOLD GrandDuke6
SEANSHADES: Call $0.30
FOLD TTR62954652

Flop:
[ C9 C5 CQ ]
SEANSHADES: Check
machineax : Bet $0.50
SEANSHADES: Call $0.50

Turn:
[ S3 ]
SEANSHADES: Check
machineax : Bet $0.90
SEANSHADES: Call $0.90

River:
[ C3 ]
SEANSHADES: Bet $2.30
FOLD machineax

SUMMARY:
Total pot $5.96 Rake $0.19
SEANSHADES: wins $5.96

Sean, was a very loose player pre flop.. just calling all raises, as some low limits players do =) so, i put him on any range of hands. When all clubs, and a Q overcard appeared - i still felt i was good. So, i thought, no more passive play - i'll use some aggression and show strength.

I bet at flop, turn around 3/4 pot and then when a club hit, he fired back at me. Making me think he'd made his flush - probably higher than my 10. He may, have had it on the flop, slow playing it.

Generally, another bad hand by me... As i should have called his river bet, with 2-1 odds on the call. I'm sure my 10 of clubs, would have been good 1 time out of 3. This is just where i personally question, why everyone says aggressive is the key. It probably cost me too much -) it was a marginal flop. Still, i was probably right to bet flop... and turn - turn betting should have been lower(half size) giving him 3-1 on his draw.

hmm still, aggression is slightly questionable for me. Say, he made his flush on the flop and was a slow playing it - i bet at flop, turn and river and he comes over the top of my river bet - That;s if i was first to act.. Aggression is good, maybe i don't have the skills or readings to play it very well =)

Btw, excession thanks for ur auto hand ratings. I've gone from a tight/passive (mouse) to Tight/Aggressive with yours - not sure though, probably still class myself as passive atm. Still, was it turb would said either raise, bet or fold - never call ahah there is something sexy about being the dominate player.

I just worry about UA when a player has a monster and that's where you have massive dips in ur bankroll. Firing re-raises with one pair, when a player has a set/flush/2pair etc. I suppose, u might find out early enough though. Thanks for the replies guys and advice - i'm just trying to find the leaks in my game atm(well, THINKING PROCESS) -) Cheers. Sorry about the converter - it was the best i could find. I just can't see, how may passivity atm - is costing me alot of EV and profit. I don't get as much in the pot as aggressive players, when i win. But, i limit my losses when i lose. Its just about finding a better balance ..whoho.

Right, cyas..
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