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(50 NL) I have no respect for weak leads

Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:40 am

Hand 1:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $92.60
UTG+1: $50
EP9: $54.20
Button: $47
SB: $49.70
BB: $47.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) EP9 is CO with [Kh] [Js]
2 folds, EP9 raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: [4s] [6h] [Qc] ($3.75, 2 players)
BB bets $3.5, EP9 calls.

Turn: [9h] ($10.75, 2 players)
BB bets $8, EP9 raises to $22

Only been at the table about 30 hands. I still make these plays often against weak leads. I either raise the flop or the turn. Generally if it's more coordinated, I raise the flop, less coordinated I raise the turn. I pretty much need a read on villain being a calling station to not play back at weak leads. I'd estimate 50% of my NL cash profit is from making plays off of weak leads.

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Hand 2:
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
5 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $33.35
CO: $50
Button: $51.50
SB: $108.90
EP9: $48.25

Pre-flop: (5 players) EP9 is BB with [Jc] [Qh]
3 folds, SB calls, EP9 raises to $1.5, SB calls.

Flop: [2c] [8c] [6s] ($3, 2 players)
SB bets $3, EP9 raises to $8, SB calls.

Turn: [4h] ($19, 2 players)
SB checks, EP9 bets $14

Like I said, I make these plays a LOT

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Hand 3:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $12.65
UTG+1: $82.30
EP9: $57.55
Button: $72.10
SB: $56.65
BB: $30.65

Pre-flop: (6 players) EP9 is CO with [7s] [8s]
2 folds, EP9 raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: [2h] [7d] [Js] ($3.75, 2 players)
BB bets $3, EP9 calls.

Turn: [6h] ($9.75, 2 players)
BB bets $6, EP9 raises to $26, BB calls all-in $19.9.

River: [Jd] ($61.55, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $61.55)

Results:
BB turns over 74o lolz valuetownage
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Postby dropthe72 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:55 am

how is hand one a weak lead?

i think hand two is kinda spewy.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:01 am

By weak lead I mean instead of checking to the raiser, they lead with a bet. This usually means "I have a weak hand, but maybe you'll fold if you miss".
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Postby dropthe72 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:56 am

ah... as i understood it, a weak lead is a smallish bet (proportionally) into a pot from oop.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:58 am

I guess. Anyways... I find that most players at 50NL are far morely likely to slowplay their big hands than lead with a pot-bet. Against known TAGs I don't make these plays.

I end up taking down these pots a little more than 90% of the time when I make these plays.
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Postby Stoneburg » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:03 am

I make these plays religiously as well, however I have noticed one thing. If you're going to do it, do it on the flop. Several timews I have tried to rep a monster by flat calling on the flop an dthen raising the turn, I invariably get called (wich is why I guess people actually play their monsters that way). Make the move on the flop and only fire a second barrel if you don't have outs or have a good read that he will fold. So I think hand #2 is Ok but #1 and #3 is wrong.
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Postby dropthe72 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:03 am

to be honest, i'm not too comfortable making moves in these particular spots. i feel like alot of times, here, i'm up against top pair type hands and i consider it a mistake to try to make an opponent in 50nl lay down tp. but then again, i could just be real passive like.
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Postby fplouc » Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:22 am

I don't really consider these as weak leads, as they are more or less pot sized.
But yeah raising weak lead (a typical exemple : you raise and one of the blinds call, and they immediatly minbet (or doublebet) on the flop) nearly always allows you to take the pot. In that case i nearly 100% raise with a potsized bet, and it's very EV+ according to pokerEV. Of course sometime they are trapping with a real hand, but it usualy means a weak draw or nothing-bottom pair.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:20 am

It's because so many standard TAGs just fold to the pot-bet lead that they keep leading those flops. I give them hell instead :)

Make sure you don't do it much against TAGs or calling stations. TAGs are far more likely to lead the flop with bigger hands, and calling stations will not fold.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:46 pm

You bet sizing is way too small.
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