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NL400: Defence Against the Preflop Reraise

Postby mecha » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:18 pm

Villan is running at 23/19/1.4 and likes to reraise me preflop. My plan was to proceed as if he was making some kind of a move here or definitely raising light. His river AF is 1.19.

Who puts in another raise here preflop?
Who bets the flop?
Who bets the turn?
Who calls the river?


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players


Stack sizes:
UTG: $669.70
CO: $186.52
Hero: $454.00
SB: $788.40
BB: $481.00

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with [Ah] [Jh]
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, SB raises to $66, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: [Jd] [Qh] [8c] ($138, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: [2d] ($138, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: [3d] ($138, 2 players)
SB bets $140
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:25 pm

I would probably shove preflop.

I would bet the flop, as played, I would bet the turn, as played, I would call the river.
Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby black_knight6 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:45 am

Ya, calling pf is kinda bad without bigger stacks...only cuz you have an easily dominated hand. I'd prefer T9s to AJs...but, shove pf...

As played, I call the river pretty easily...
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Postby Semillon » Wed Jul 18, 2007 12:49 am

Definitely bet that flop, it has hit almost all the usual suspect hands that will call a 3bet preflop.

If called on flop I probably check behind on the turn and call on the river.
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Postby Xaston » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:48 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby The Golden 1 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:04 am

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Postby Semillon » Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:10 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:02 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby mecha » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:20 am

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Postby black_knight6 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:40 pm

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Postby mecha » Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:54 pm

I worked out some numbers and I agree that pushing preflop is +EV as long villan is making a move approximately 66% of the time and will have a premium calling hand the other 33% (AA-JJ, AK).

However, on a RESTEAL, calling the reraise instead of pushing preflop should have some value as well against specific opponents:

- AJs will hit some kind of hand approximately 40% of the time includng all pairs, flush draws, etc.
- Holding AJs instead of 78s, it is less likely that villan has a premium hand (25% less likely based on hand combinations)
- You have position for the remainder of the hand
- Against Aggressive Villans who make a CB 100% of the time, we are calling $54 preflop to win over $225.
- Against Passive opponents who don't make CBs, you can take the pot away from them.
- Calling with other hands other than pairs with implied odds disguises your hand ranges more
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