umph..
before I post the actual hand let me warn you.. it's bad.. I shouldn't play the hand at all in the first place, but I did, and what is done is done...

so, plz, skip my horrible PF UTG limp/call and move on to flop... tell me.. what to do and how to do it? plz plz plz.. forget about PF.. ty

villain is 38/20, AF 3.86, WtSD 25% over 100 hands


BetFred Poker 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the at
saw flop | saw showdown

Button ($71.85)
SB Villain ($120.61)
BB BB ($48.05)
UTG SuperHero ($102.54)
UTG+1 ($46.80)
CO CO ($50.00)

Preflop: SuperHero is UTG with A 5
SuperHero calls 0.50, 1 fold, CO raises to 2.50, 1 fold, Villain calls 2.25, BB calls 2.00, SuperHero calls 2.00.

Flop (10.00) 8 A 7
Villain bets 6.00, 1 fold, SuperHero ?

I think this is a fold or push situation. You are a coinflip with AK, as well as any 2 pair. The only hands you behind are 77,66,AA. Since he did not RR PF you bet he does not have AA.

With the fact that you are about even money with pretty much most hands that the SB could have and only an under to 66,77. This has got to be a definate +EV situation for a push. I am not sure exactly how often you need a fold to be profitable but,since its almost 50/50 anyway it is not much. Even if he has a set (worst case scenario) you have outs.

Totally agree with not folding due to the big stacks. If it was 100BB deep I would c/r all-in as you're likely to have 12 outs. If he has a big PP other than AA, he folds too. Here, I completely agree with Triple B.

Most players here might disagree with me, but I don't mind the limp with [5d] UTG here as long as you limp with most of your hands UTG and re-raise often enough that it makes them think before raising you.

I think I call this flop. A guy betting into the PFR from the SB usually doesn't have much, maybe a weak A here. I expect the preflop raiser to come over the top with AK/AQ, and that's when I want to CRAI. I think you get a lot of folds from AK/AQ and the times you don't get a fold you will be coinflipping with a lot of dead money in the pot. If the SB wants to come along after we push that's fine too, just increases our odds.

yuck..

I actually made the worst thing I guess... I immediately raised to $36 thinking of getting our stacks in cause i must be a favorite and if someone else comes for the ride all the better.. i totally realize I should have flat called and wait for someone else to come for the ride first, but nooooo, I raised.. they folded to villain who pushed his whole stack in the middle.. and I called... he had .. tun was and river was .. i lost a 200BB stack just like that..

since I don't have pokerstove and stuff.. would someone be kind enough to tell me the %% and EV of my call here ?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

990 games 0.078 secs 12,692 games/sec

Board: 8d Ac 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.535% 52.83% 05.71% 523 56.50 { Ah7h }
Hand 1: 41.465% 35.76% 05.71% 354 56.50 { Ad5d }


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you should call because it FREAKIN SUCKS if you make anyone fold a lower draw.