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Postby Zeestein » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:37 am

This was a while ago, 5/10 live, approx 2k effective stacks. Great table, I haven't needed to be out of line at all and have basically played pretty ABC, but is known for being capable of shenanigans. I lost a decent pot to a suckout about an hour ago, but haven't shown any signs of tilt or whatever.

Old decent nit makes it $60, gets 4 callers, I call 7hTh bb calls

Flop T85 with one heart, I fire $200. Only the old nit calls.

Turn 5 completing the rainbow. I think that I either c/f now or fire 2 shells to make him laydown his overpair. I decide to bet $350. Quick call. His hand is more or less face-up, right?

River is a brick 3, and I instantly bluff for the rest. $1300~ more to him.
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Postby black_knight6 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:43 am

Hate it...nothing about the board has changed and live players are very bad at laying down JJ+ here.
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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:01 am

I would feel really sick if I bluffed off 200bb with T7s.

In general I don't think it is profitable to try and get overpairs to lay down, that's why setmining IS profitable.
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Postby Xaston » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:10 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby Zeestein » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:17 am

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Postby Stoneburg » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:47 am

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Postby Rhound50 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:27 am

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"From playing full tilt I wanna smash every garden gnome I see. That travelocity commercial puts me on instant tilt."
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Postby Triple B » Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:55 am

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Postby Zeestein » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:06 pm

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Postby Rhound50 » Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:57 pm

Think before you bruff, what hand are you trying to represent here? This doesn't look like a set, it looks like AT or a missed straight draw, BK says live players aren't good at folding JJ and I agree but the thing is I dont think that I would folf JJ the way you played the hand.

You know that he knows?? He likely isn't thinking at the same level you are. Old nits eye view.

Preflop: I have a big pair I raise:
Flop: I have an overpair, wtf he bet, I call.
Turn: I still have an overpair.
River: I still have an overpair.

I have played close to 4000 hrs of live poker so I have some experience here. The biggest advantage a good live player has over a bad live players is patience. Playing live the patience is sometimes even more important than skill, people just cant be patient playing live because everything happens so freakin slow. This is one of the reason that when online players play live for the first time they always comment on how soft the games are. Online it makes is much eaiser to fold an overpair first off people play tighter. Also if you have been card dead for 100 hands playing live it means you have been card dead for 5+ hrs after that long it makes folding an overpair that much harder. Online poker is very different, people can much more easily be patient and people tend to play tighter because of that.

If this old nit folded everytime someone bet into him with an overpair, he would see showdown maybe once a session. Even an old nit is not willing to be that patient. There are a bunch of these players that play in SD, they are very easy to play against, if they raise preflop they have JJ or better and if you are going to play a big pot you better be able to beat aces. Trying to bluff these people off the one hand every 4 hrs they play never works.
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Postby Mr Sauceman » Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:59 pm

I dont play for these stakes, or live for that matter, but this is how I would play a set against this opponent, for the reason that he is NOT folding his overpair.

With the hand you had, i would have just check folded the flop against 6 opponents here, if the old nit doesnt have a hand, someone does.
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