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Postby hard2tel » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:31 pm

Im trying to find CTS's post about 4-bet pushing Ax but cant locate it. Ive been having some trouble in preflop betting wars against some of the regs and was thinking of trying this but i wasnt sure exactly how often he did it etc. help me plz
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Postby black_knight6 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:35 pm

http://cts687.livejournal.com/14591.html ?

Basically, he figures that at WORST you've got 30% equity, plus whatever fold equity you have (if it's >20%, then it's +EV).
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Postby hard2tel » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:24 am

"But meh, what I lack for in talent and intelligence I make up for in lack of ambition." -- Oatmealforxmas

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Postby JimmyJet » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:08 am

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Postby hard2tel » Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:54 am

"But meh, what I lack for in talent and intelligence I make up for in lack of ambition." -- Oatmealforxmas

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Postby black_knight6 » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:17 am

I don' t think you have to only do this vs regulars for advertising...it's a profittable play in a vacuum (in his opinion) against light 3bettors.
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Postby hard2tel » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:19 am

yea i know. its just that usually the light 3-bettors are the regulars.
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Postby hard2tel » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:19 pm

so i tried this today. for ~3 hours/~2800 hands. It worked really well in terms of loosening the 3-bettors calling range...people started calling me with TT and AQ..as well as JJ+ and AK. I couldnt get any hands to take advantage of it though so meh...after i was looked up 8-9 times i cooled it a bit and waited for hands that never came.

I did tweak it a little though. I didnt 4-bet shove when i raised UTG because, well, most of the regulars never bluff 3-bet an utg raise at a full table at this level. I also figured after they looked my Ax up a few times they would just assume i would do it from utg too.

I also got less respect postflop after getting called down a couple times...especially from the non-regulars.

One more thing...some of the regulars stopped 3-betting me with marginal hands all together...which was great.
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Postby gsdavid » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:24 am

I would advise using this only when facing a OTB 3bet and you are in CO or when facing a 3bet from blinds when you are in steal positions..Otherwise its mostly spewing
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Postby RedBarracuda » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:11 am

I have collected some of the interesting articles about this... there's the one you mention in here also... maybe it will be of use to someone...





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Postby JimmyJet » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:55 am

I tried this and got called >>80% of the time by shit like KQ and JTs and they hit.
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