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Limped pot, 3rd nuts, action flop - thought process? (50FR)

Postby MTPaid » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:30 am

All opponents fairly tight, average aggression players.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
8 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($29.20)
UTG+1 ($49.50)
MP1 ($62.45)
MP2 ($50.05)
CO ($63.00)
BTN ($50.00)
SB ($53.50)
Hero ($59.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is BB [7d][6c]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.5 ($49.00), MP1 calls $0.5 ($61.95), MP2 calls $0.5 ($49.55), 1 fold, BTN calls $0.5 ($49.50), SB calls $0.25 ($53.00), Hero checks ($59.00)

Flop: [8c][Tc][9h] ($3, 6 players)
SB checks ($53.00), Hero bets $2 ($57.00), UTG+1 calls $2 ($47.00), MP1 raises to $6 ($55.95), MP2 calls $6 ($43.55), 1 fold, SB folds ($53.00)

I figured there were 2 ways I could go with this:
1 - I didn't invest a lot of money and could be drawing dead.
2 - I flopped a straight, I'm supposed to lose something here if I'm beat and 3 other people helped build a pot now.

I'm not worried about UTG+1 or MP2 because it would be too scary to slowplay this flop. Don't you think MP1 would have raised more if he had QJ to avoid being drawn out on?

I think calling is bad here, I don't want to fold. I still want to be able to get away from it if I'm dead though. Is it safe to assume that if they are all drawing, they are holding some of each other's outs. I'm likely holding an out or 2 of theirs too.
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Postby Xaston » Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:44 am

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Postby MTPaid » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:32 pm

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Postby Stelvask » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:41 pm

I would shove here.

Yes, you're behind QJ and the outside chance at J7, but like you said, the two cold callers probably have some sort of draw - they will more often than not at least - and you don't want to let them catch up cheaply. now consider the range of hands this guy is raising you with... is a flopped straight the only one? what about two pair? a set? TPTK? the NFD? maybe a naked jack.

the point is, the range of hands you're ahead of here is much greater than the range of hands you need to worry about.

will it suck when you shove and get called by QJ? yes. dead to a split always sucks.

But with this much money in the pot, i just don't see a reason to fold. I'm not saying it's an easy jam, just that I think it's the correct one. Too often you're going to be up against a lesser hand here, and a lot of those lesser hands call you at 50nl.
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Postby Triple B » Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:43 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:52 pm

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
8 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($29.20)
UTG+1 ($49.50)
MP1 ($62.45)
MP2 ($50.05)
CO ($63.00)
BTN ($50.00)
SB ($53.50)
Hero ($59.50)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 8 players) Hero is BB [7d][6c]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.5 ($49.00), MP1 calls $0.5 ($61.95), MP2 calls $0.5 ($49.55), 1 fold, BTN calls $0.5 ($49.50), SB calls $0.25 ($53.00), Hero checks ($59.00)

Flop: [8c][Tc][9h] ($3, 6 players)
SB checks ($53.00), Hero bets $2 ($57.00), UTG+1 calls $2 ($47.00), MP1 raises to $6 ($55.95), MP2 calls $6 ($43.55), 1 fold, SB folds ($53.00), Hero raises to $20 ($37.00), UTG+1 folds ($47.00), MP1 calls $14 ($41.95), MP2 folds ($43.55)

Turn: [3h] ($51, 2 players)

I figure that I still have the option of folding if he shoves. True, sometimes he'll shove hands that I am ahead of like sets or monster draws, but I'm not in great shape against that range anyway, although he probably doesn't have as many outs as he thinks he does on the draw (likely less than 13 instead of 15) Is this that bad?

Obviously, this was a beautiful card for me and since he didn't shove, I knew I was ahead. He folded to my turn bet and asked if I had QJ.

If a club or a Q would have hit the turn, I probably would have gotten away from it on the turn. If the board paired, I probably woulda bet/paid him off because I would have expected him to shove with the set a lot of the time on the flop.
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Postby MTPaid » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:24 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:20 pm

Stars currently. Full Tilt before that.
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