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Postby Canny » Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:50 pm

I've been intending to post my overall PT stats here for a while now for a critical analysis to help me improve, but until I get round to that I've decided to post some hand histories that I'm not sure about. In this one, the real question is did I go too far on the turn but comments on the whole hand welcome. Its cryptologic so no cap on any round that starts heads up and the tables are generally quite tight (common table averages are 18-22% VPIP and 8-12% PFR)

Villain has VPIP 19.6%, PFR 11.23%, Aggression factor 1.85, has lost 3.77BB/100 over the 1k hands I have on him and can at least seem a little crazy with good but not nut hands (will keep re-raising a straight on a flush board etc)

Cryptologic 2.00/4.00 Hold'em (10 handed)

BB ($477.00)
UTG ($41.03)
MP1 ($97.58)
MP2 ($136.12)
MP3 ($72.75)
CO ($131.25)
Button ($128.25)
Hero ($46.87)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Qc],[Kc].
1 folds, MP1 raises, 4 folds, Hero calls, 1 folds.

Flop: (5.00 SB) [Tc], [8s], [Jh] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) [As] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 3-bets, Hero caps, MP1 raises, Hero raises, MP1 raises, Hero raises, MP1 raises, Hero raises (all-in), MP1 calls.

River= (23.94 BB) [8d] (2 players)

Final Pot: 23.94 BB.
Results in white below:
Hero has Qc Kc (A Straight, Ace high)
MP1 has Ad Ac (A Full House, Aces full of Eights)
MP1 wins 23.18 BB.


For my thoughts as I went through the hand:
PREFLOP: Standard for me from the SB, might have reraised if the original raise had come from a later position.

FLOP: flopped OESD with 2 overcards and back door flush, check-raise to see where I am and potentially slow villain down if he missed and/or has a suited ace or underpair. Villains reraise is strong for him so I expect I have to hit something to win wouldn't rule out something like [Ah][Th] though.

TURN: Hit the ace, I currently have the nut straight, worst case scenario, we split the pot or he has a set and can draw to the full house, outside chance he could have a flush draw but I don't see him betting like this unless he also made the straight or perhaps hit 2 pair with it. Am I going too far putting everything I can in here, I'm figuring I must be at least a 70% favourite though whatever he has.

RIVER: Everything is already in, the cards are exposed, the river hits and I feel sick :x

What I'm hoping to hear from you guys is "you played it fine, its a bad beat, don't sweat about it" but I seem to have had quite a few of these lately so I'm concerned I may be going drastically wrong somewhere.
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Postby frankster200 » Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:55 am

If villain is only doing this on turn with the nuts then we can call the 3 bet instead of going further because [Ks] [Qs] is a real possibility and villain would be freerolling. But as you pointed out that he can go crazy with good but non nut hands then there is no slowing down in this spot.
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Postby Marm » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:47 am

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Postby Canny » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:06 am

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Postby Marm » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:40 am

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Postby Marm » Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:41 am

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