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Flat calling KK in position (400NL 5-max)

Postby Triple B » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:26 pm

After listening to Xaston on the Skypecast last night I decided to try out some flat calling of big hands in position. It's something I was kinda thinking about doing more of since it seems anyone half decent doesn't call 3-bets OOP much anymore. I don't have much of a read of villain as I've only been at the table a short while. He is 20/15 over a small sample.

Stacks:
UTG ($1197.20)
Hero ($565.60)
BTN ($141.20)
SB ($1531.75)
BB ($870.90)

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is CO [Ks][Kh]
UTG bets $16, Hero calls $16, 3 folds

Flop: [5s][3d][Jh] ($38, 2 players)
UTG bets $28, Hero calls $28.

Turn: [9s] ($94, 2 players)
UTG bets $72, Hero ??,

I didn't like raising flop because I think I fold out pretty much everything but QQ/AJ and if I get it in there I am probably going to be up against sets/AA almost always. On a more wet board I would probably raise.

I don't know how often or if villain double barrels air, so I assume he has something on the turn here a good amount of the time. However, his something can easily be big spades, so I need to raise here right? What is your line?

Looking back, since we are deepish and villain is not a reg I should have opted to reraise pre. However, a similiar spot could easily come up against a reg quite often.
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Postby TableTiger1 » Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:34 pm

If you are flat calling with KK in position against an unknown shouldn't you raise the flop to figure out what his holdings might be? If it was a reg you knew well you could just wait until the turn. As played raise the turn to 110. I expect big spades, AJ, TT, QQ maybe AA probably in that order. Reevaluate river. Profit.
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Postby Xaston » Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:18 am

I usually raise this flop. I raise more flops with more hands than you'd believe though, so in a more tight scenario flat calling is fine. If I called the flop though, I'd definitely call the turn. Raising the turn is almost like turning KK into a hand trying to bluff out AA.

I'd call and let him take himself to value town on the river, as played.
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Postby High Wired » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:45 am

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Postby Triple B » Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:05 pm

Anyway, I didn't like my play which is why I posted.

I raised the turn but after I did it, it just felt bad. He thought and called.

River was a K, making me an easy river shove. He folded.
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