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Postby Monkey » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:03 am

BB ($99.05)
UTG ($170)
MP ($208.10)
CO ($38)
Button ($220)
Hero ($314.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Qc], [Qh].
UTG raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, Button raises to $19, Hero raises to $49, 1 fold, UTG folds, CO folds, Button calls $29.

Flop: ($107) [7h], [Kc], [Th] (2 players)

Villain is 24/12/2 over 300 hands. No notes and those hands aren't recent.

Check or bet? If you bet, are you ever folding?

Villain in this one is unknown.

Hero ($292.30)
Button ($118.75)
SB ($100.15)
BB ($128.80)
UTG ($131.85)
MP ($160.10)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [Js], [Ad].
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, BB raises to $18, UTG folds, Hero calls $7.

Flop: ($37) [Td], [5d], [4d] (2 players)
BB bets $15, Hero calls $15.

Turn: ($67) [Jc] (2 players)
BB bets $97.8 (All-In)
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:12 pm

#1) I really dislike your reraise to $49. At this point you can beat JJ and thats about it. If you bet, you have to give up if called.

#2) I fold to the reraise most of the time but if I call..Im shoving in on that flop. As played, theres no way Im folding. If you called and lost to KK or QQ with no [d], you see why shoving the flop is better.
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Postby MyKQ » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:30 pm

Okay, let me try to give my feeling on this one. Please don't be too tough on me if I donkey around (I play much lower limits like NL10 or NL25).

1st hand (QQ)

If I had played this hand I would have Continuation-Bet the flop to 50$, then fold to a raise. If called, I'd Check-fold the turn & river unless a miracle Q comes.

After deep thought, I think I would have donkeyed as this C-bet might be wrong (and check-folding be the best play). You're probably beat : Your reraise PF represented AA,KK,QQ, AKs perhaps AK. Yet, he called with only 170$ remaining after the call (1,5x the pot). Therefore, he probably has such a hand also. If I had to take a bet, I'd definetly say AKs, but AA/KK are also good possibilities - he'd be hoping to double-up by trapping. Perhaps also some high-aces preferably suited like AQs, or lower pocket pairs. (but i'm not sure Pocket pairs would have the implied odds to call your 3-bet preflop - it's a very close call, but perhaps in the heat of battle ... ).


2nd hand (AJo)

If I'd play this hand I would have called his allin bet.
Good pot odds (about 1 vs 1.6), lots of outs if you're against higher pocket pair, and dominating other Ace-X. His bet at the flop looks like a CBet. On the Turn, it might be a bet to deny you the potodds to chase the flush (or a plain desesparation-bet). Unfortunatly for him, you just got TPTK.

Doing calculations (if I didn't mess things up), this is a very clear "call", and (for once), a good one ;-)

His Min-reraise might represent high pocket pairs or a high suited-ace.
- I wouldn't think KQs might be a reraise hand oop (but again I play much lower limits ... so I just don't know for sure). So imo, he most probably doesn't have a flush.
- If he has AA (6 possibilities), you're dead to another jack or a diamond (11 outs).
- If he has KK or QQ (24 possibilities), you have 3 additionnal outs (14 outs).
- If he has JJ (1 possibility only), only the diamonds will save you (8 or 9 outs).
- If he has TT (6 possibilities), again you need a diamond (8 outs - the Jd gives him a full).
- If he has AK or AQ (24 possibilities), you win unless he rivers his kicker.
- If he has AT (9 possibilites, he needs yet another T)

Other hands are less likely (reraising oop preflop seems quite dangerous), but let's check anyway.
- If he has KJ or QJ, he has to pair the board his kicker to win ... that'll teach him ;-).
- If he has KQ, he must river his K or Q. (If he has KQs-diamond ... he just got lucky)
- If he plays JT, 55, 44, or 54s by reraising oop preflop ... well, he's a lucky maniac
- If he is on air, well too bad for him.
- If he plays lower pairs 99-66;33-22 ... he needs to make a trip
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Postby Triple B » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:36 pm

Villain: Why?
Villain: How?
Me: I had a feeling
Villian: Sit in you cretin
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Postby Twelver » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:26 pm

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

Heat517163 (5:05:37 PM): black people man
Heat517163 (5:05:40 PM): they travel in packs
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:35 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:40 pm

Yeah hand #1 is just a super bad spot, you gotta 4-bet that (but your 4-bet was too small). Flop I either check or bet/fold $60, I don't have enough experience in a spot like this to know which is better and I would probably make my decision based on some of the villains other stats.

Hand #2 Fold preflop. He's short and you have a horrible hand against some randoms min 3-betting range. I'm guessing the very reason why you didn't shove the flop is because you figured he was almost always on QQ+ here and it's more +EV for you to call, but this spot kinda just shows why preflop sucks.
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Postby Twelver » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:13 pm

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

Heat517163 (5:05:37 PM): black people man
Heat517163 (5:05:40 PM): they travel in packs
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