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Postby MVPSPORTS » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:35 am

So I've been reading here, and how BK says to NEVER 4bet pf without being prepared to call... And normally, since I play nl50, I basically follow this advice, and I hardly bluff 4bet...

BUT, This guy had 3 bet me like 3-4 times in about 100 hands, and I REALLY thought he was FOS... I had a few hundred hands on him, he had decent enuf stats, and I thought there was a pretty good chance he would fold... I was pretty aggro at the table, like 27/18... So, somehow I ended up 4betting light at fucking NL50... Guess I'm quite the doucheball...

I'm not sposed to call this though, am I? Should I be doing this with other hands? What am I screwin up?

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($110.85)
Hero ($50.85)
CO ($49.25)
BTN ($51.05)
SB ($57.95)
BB ($17.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 [3h][3d]
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, CO raises to $5.5, 3 folds, Hero raises to $14, CO goes all-in $49.25, Hero folds

Final Pot: $28.75

CO wins $64 ( won +$14.75 )
Hero lost -$14.00
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Postby Triple B » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:48 pm

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Postby black_knight6 » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:15 pm

I agree that low PPs are a really bad idea here...I'd prefer ATo and snap calling a shove to 33.
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Postby T-Rod » Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:34 pm

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Postby shamdonk » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:34 pm

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby ToastedMoses » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:50 pm

If you want to 4-bet bluff with the intention of folding to a shove do it with the worst part of your LP open range, and make your 4-bet about 2.3-2.8x his 3-bet. Any decent hand including 33, 89s, AQ has too much equity against most 5-bet shove ranges to fold, even after a small 4-bet. Much better are hands like 67o, Q8s etc... which don't fare as well against most 5-bet ranges.

Depending on villain, doing as BK/Trod suggests and 4-bet/calling better hands might be the way to go. And for sure you can find tables at NL50 where you won't have to deal with these guys at all, which is almost certainly the most +EV way to deal with the problem.
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