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Postby Semillon » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:05 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:16 pm

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Postby Xaston » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:45 pm

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby Xaston » Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:53 pm

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:26 am

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Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Semillon » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:40 am

Xaston, thanks for the write up.
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Postby Cooper » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:21 am

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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:47 am

Great analysis Xaston, and your reasoning is exactly why you should lead into the raiser with a big hand and stop check raising your big hands on the flop.
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Postby hard2tel » Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:50 pm

"But meh, what I lack for in talent and intelligence I make up for in lack of ambition." -- Oatmealforxmas

- make more than xaston and roy
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Postby T-Rod » Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:12 pm

Excellent hand and analysis Xaston. This is great stuff.

A couple of things I might add:

--I think its key that Xaston had a read on AK as its played at this site at these limits. I think that really helps narrow the range and the play. If I'm at Prima 1/2 or Cake 1/2 I cannot say that AK is 4 banged all day.

--Something else one should consider before playing this as a turn bluff shove is how will that affect your game if you lose the hand. i think we regularly talk about the EV of this hand or that and sometimes underrepresent that playing very tricky hands like this for all the marbles can have a psychological toil. Are you going to tilt? Are you going to start calling on flops you really shouldn't.

I do firmly agree with Xaston that when the guy leads into the preflop reraiser on the QQ5 flop, he is weak. How you procede from there probably has more to do with your style and comfort level.

I prefer to just make a flop stand and take it down now or be done with it. Xaston prefers to milk his 88 for all its worth because he feels he can push him off his weakish hand range. I think the difference here is mostly style and variance aversion.
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:43 pm

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:10 pm

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby black_knight6 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:17 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:19 pm

I disagree. The play is right or wong if we know what the villain has, but since we dont know what he has or even if he is dumb enough to call with 99, we dont know if the play is a good one or not.

Open raising AA on the button is a good play.

Xastons play is right in the middle of a giant grey area and we dont really know if its good or not.
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Postby Twelver » Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:51 pm

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Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

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