I cant disagree more with you on this one Trod, this is the most drawy of all boards. His range is made up of a ton of draws. I am going to fire shell #2 here almost every time, this is the perfect board to fire at since he is going to have a draw a good amount of the time. I really really hate checking, it puts you in so much tougher a spot. Check folding this turn is really weak but by checking you are inducing a bet from a draw since it looks like you are giving up the turn. When he bets you have no idea where you are at, and when he checks you have half the deck to dodge on the river. By betting the 2nd shell you really make Lillian define his hand. He is going to raise you if he has a J since he knows there are a ton of draws out there. In this spot he makes the bet which I really like and gets called. Villain calls your bet and now we can put him on a nice range, a big ten (maybe), JT or a draw. When you check the river and he makes a strong bet you can pretty much rule out a ten. So he either has a monster or his missed his draw. Fuck it you pay off a boat and pick off a ton of draws. [/list]

if villain is bad/the calling type then this is the perfect line...if u dont bet the flop and the turn here you're missing out on sooo much value. River is a call the first time then take a note imo.

if villain is good/aggro then i usually c/f the flop.