Full Tilt Poker Game #5117180698: Table Rams (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9:30:56 ET - 2008/02/04
Seat 1: SteelMaiden ($24.35), is sitting out
Seat 2: whimpy73 ($47.40)
Seat 3: noobkaka ($75.90)
Seat 4: IBA85 ($9.20)
Seat 5: CHUCKTHEKING ($65.85)
Seat 6: NCMM84 ($32.55)
IBA85 posts the small blind of $0.10
CHUCKTHEKING posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBA85
NCMM84 raises to $0.85
whimpy73 folds
noobkaka calls $0.85
IBA85 calls $0.75
CHUCKTHEKING calls $0.60
*** FLOP ***
IBA85 checks
CHUCKTHEKING checks
NCMM84 bets $3.40
noobkaka folds
IBA85 raises to $8.35, and is all in
CHUCKTHEKING calls $8.35
NCMM84 calls $4.95
*** TURN ***
CHUCKTHEKING checks
NCMM84 bets $23.35, and is all in
CHUCKTHEKING calls $23.35
NCMM84 shows
IBA85 shows
CHUCKTHEKING shows
*** RIVER ***
NCMM84 shows a flush, King high
CHUCKTHEKING shows a pair of Jacks
NCMM84 wins the side pot ($45.10) with a flush, King high
IBA85 shows two pair, Eights and Sixes
NCMM84 wins the main pot ($27.05) with a flush, King high


How do you play this hand ? I know NCMM84 is a big donkey who always raise pf and always pot on flop and who can call an all-in full stack with just top pair+ inside straight draw. I had a note on this man which is " Big Donkey ".
I think my big mistake is to not considerate CHUCKTHEKING in the hand. Without him my move is obviously ev+ against NCMM84C.
An other question : What do you think about CHUCKTHEKING's move ?

PS : I always play with 40% or 50% of the buy in max. I know the advantages of playing short and full stacks

Hands I have seen before.
You fold the flop on the hand in the first post when you have seen that ?


Full Tilt Poker Game #5117042804: Table Maiden (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9:05:23 ET - 2008/02/04
Seat 1: arvhage ($27.25)
Seat 2: crewguy7v8 ($15)
Seat 3: NCMM84 ($22.65)
Seat 4: IBA85 ($10.95)
Seat 5: Aussiecardshark ($51.95)
Seat 6: nahkamato ($20.50)
arvhage posts the small blind of $0.10
nahkamato: lucky f
crewguy7v8 has 5 seconds left to act
crewguy7v8 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBA85
NCMM84 raises to $0.85
IBA85 calls $0.85
Aussiecardshark folds
nahkamato calls $0.85
arvhage folds
crewguy7v8 folds
*** FLOP ***
NCMM84 bets $2.90
IBA85 raises to $10.10, and is all in
nahkamato folds
NCMM84 has 15 seconds left to act
NCMM84 calls $7.20
IBA85 shows
NCMM84 shows
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
IBA85 shows a straight, Ten high
NCMM84 shows a pair of Jacks
IBA85 wins the pot ($21.95) with a straight, Ten high



Full Tilt Poker Game #5117062616: Table Maiden (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9:09:08 ET - 2008/02/04
Seat 1: arvhage ($29.85)
Seat 2: crewguy7v8 ($14.40)
Seat 3: NCMM84 ($22.25)
Seat 4: IBA85 ($21.60)
Seat 5: Aussiecardshark ($51.70)
Seat 6: nahkamato ($5.85)
Aussiecardshark posts the small blind of $0.10
nahkamato posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBA85
arvhage folds
crewguy7v8 calls $0.25
NCMM84 has 15 seconds left to act
NCMM84 raises to $1.10
IBA85 folds
Aussiecardshark folds
nahkamato raises to $3.65
crewguy7v8 folds
NCMM84 raises to $6.20
nahkamato calls $2.20, and is all in
NCMM84 shows
nahkamato shows




Full Tilt Poker Game #5117086969: Table Maiden (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9:13:43 ET - 2008/02/04
Seat 1: arvhage ($28.50)
Seat 2: crewguy7v8 ($24.85)
Seat 3: NCMM84 ($26.35)
Seat 4: IBA85 ($19.05)
Seat 5: Aussiecardshark ($49)
Seat 6: nahkamato ($3.20)
IBA85 posts the small blind of $0.10
Aussiecardshark posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBA85
nahkamato: sad
nahkamato calls $0.25
arvhage has 15 seconds left to act
arvhage is sitting out
arvhage has timed out
arvhage folds
crewguy7v8 calls $0.25
arvhage has returned
NCMM84 raises to $1.35
IBA85 folds
Aussiecardshark has 15 seconds left to act
Aussiecardshark folds
nahkamato raises to $3.20, and is all in
crewguy7v8 folds
NCMM84 has 15 seconds left to act
NCMM84 calls $1.85
nahkamato shows
NCMM84 shows



CHUCKTHEKING level


Full Tilt Poker Game #5117063346: Table Rams (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9:09:16 ET - 2008/02/04
Seat 1: SteelMaiden ($27.25)
Seat 2: whimpy73 ($52.20)
Seat 3: noobkaka ($66)
Seat 4: IBA85 ($12)
Seat 5: CHUCKTHEKING ($48.50)
Seat 6: NCMM84 ($27.75)
SteelMaiden posts the small blind of $0.10
whimpy73 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBA85
noobkaka folds
IBA85 folds
CHUCKTHEKING calls $0.25
NCMM84 raises to $1.10
SteelMaiden calls $1
whimpy73 calls $0.85
CHUCKTHEKING has 15 seconds left to act
CHUCKTHEKING calls $0.85
*** FLOP ***
SteelMaiden checks
whimpy73 bets $2.20
CHUCKTHEKING calls $2.20
NCMM84 raises to $13.20
SteelMaiden folds
whimpy73 folds
CHUCKTHEKING calls $11
*** TURN ***
CHUCKTHEKING bets $16.50
NCMM84: of corse
NCMM84 has 15 seconds left to act
NCMM84 calls $13.45, and is all in
CHUCKTHEKING shows
NCMM84 shows
Uncalled bet of $3.05 returned to CHUCKTHEKING
*** RIVER ***
noobkaka: haha he didnt want that hard
CHUCKTHEKING shows a flush, King high
NCMM84 shows three of a kind, Sevens
CHUCKTHEKING wins the pot ($56.95) with a flush, King high
CHUCKTHEKING: gotta run, thanks for the chips ,nc



Full Tilt Poker Game #5117093110: Table Rams (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9:14:52 ET - 2008/02/04
Seat 1: SteelMaiden ($27.05)
Seat 2: whimpy73 ($49.60)
Seat 3: noobkaka ($59.80)
Seat 4: IBA85 ($11.65)
Seat 5: CHUCKTHEKING ($72.80)
Seat 6: NCMM84 ($33.80)
SteelMaiden posts the small blind of $0.10
whimpy73 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBA85
noobkaka folds
IBA85 calls $0.25
CHUCKTHEKING calls $0.25
NCMM84 raises to $1.35
SteelMaiden calls $1.25
whimpy73 calls $1.10
IBA85 calls $1.10
CHUCKTHEKING calls $1.10
*** FLOP ***
CHUCKTHEKING: what did i do
SteelMaiden has 15 seconds left to act
SteelMaiden checks
whimpy73 checks
IBA85 checks
CHUCKTHEKING checks
NCMM84 bets $6.75
SteelMaiden folds
whimpy73 calls $6.75
IBA85 folds
CHUCKTHEKING folds
*** TURN ***
whimpy73 checks
NCMM84 bets $20.25
whimpy73 calls $20.25
*** RIVER ***
whimpy73 bets $21.25, and is all in
NCMM84 calls $5.45, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $15.80 returned to whimpy73
*** SHOW DOWN ***
whimpy73 shows two pair, Aces and Kings
NCMM84 shows a straight, Ace high
NCMM84 wins the pot ($68.65) with a straight, Ace high


Full Tilt Poker Game #5117119246: Table Rams (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 9:19:45 ET - 2008/02/04
Seat 1: SteelMaiden ($24.70)
Seat 2: whimpy73 ($24.25)
Seat 3: noobkaka ($65.95)
Seat 4: IBA85 ($8.95)
Seat 5: CHUCKTHEKING ($68.70)
Seat 6: NCMM84 ($68.65)
CHUCKTHEKING posts the small blind of $0.10
NCMM84 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IBA85
SteelMaiden folds
whimpy73 calls $0.25
noobkaka calls $0.25
IBA85 folds
CHUCKTHEKING calls $0.15
NCMM84 raises to $1.25
whimpy73 calls $1
noobkaka calls $1
CHUCKTHEKING calls $1
*** FLOP ***
CHUCKTHEKING checks
NCMM84 bets $5
whimpy73 raises to $20
noobkaka folds
CHUCKTHEKING folds
CHUCKTHEKING: oops
NCMM84 has 15 seconds left to act
NCMM84 raises to $35
whimpy73 calls $3, and is all in
NCMM84 shows
whimpy73 shows
Uncalled bet of $12 returned to NCMM84
noobkaka: dont let your aces make you blind
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
NCMM84 shows a pair of Tens
whimpy73 shows three of a kind, Tens
whimpy73 wins the pot ($48.45) with three of a kind, Tens

to me it sounds like whine but if it isnt,

eghter you do what you did or you bet out on the flop and call all in if someone raise. if noone raise i guess you have to put the rest in in the middle on the turn and pray since its so much in the pot (about 13 or something cuz both will call if they stick to theire normal play based on some of the other hand)

not considering chucktheking isnt a mistake in my opinion. u gonna have to stick it in the middle 100% of the time.

dont know if you know all the advantages and disadvantages with playing a short stack, i dont but i do know that you will get called by gutshots and other light hands when you checkraise and you will get outdrawn by those hands every once in a while. vs only NCMM84 you're 63% so he isnt that far behind.


And NCMM84 only had to call 20BB (not a fullstack all in, for me that is 100BB) more in a 90BB pot so with top pair, gutshot and backdoor spades he is gonna call.

I'm not saying i like the other players plays. definitely not chuck's. at those stakes i think the best move for chuck is to wait for a better spot but if he wants to gamble with a q high flushdraw i would let him every day of the week. NCMM84 could have him drawing to a queen or a non club 10.

point is that the hand probably played itself with those opponents nothing to do about it.