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Postby iceman5 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:55 pm

$1/$2 NL 6 max

I raise to $7 UTG with [Ac][Kh]. Both blinds call. SB ($100)...BB ($91)

Pot $21. Flop [As][Ts][5s]. SB leads ful; pot. BB thinks a long time and calls. Shove it in?
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Postby Xaston » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:56 pm

Definitely not.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:59 pm

Why not?

Are you folding?
Calling and shoving any non spade turn?
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Postby Triple B » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:03 pm

I was going to say fold but then I noticed they were short. You are rarely way ahead here but somewhat often you are drawing basically dead.

This is pretty close IMO. SB worries me a lot more than BB. He could easily have a set or AT or a flush if he's decent at all. I guess because they are short I would shove if I didn't respect SB's play much or he has shown the tendency to bluff.

Edit: Actually I think I would call and see a turn (and their turn actions) before committing my stack. We have position we should use it.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:09 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:14 pm

If I had the [Ks], I would shove every time. Why would you just call? It would surprise me to see one of them call with any ace. If you just call and the 4th spade hits, youre not getting any more money unless one has the Q.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:34 pm

Yeah. If we had the [Ks] shoving is much better than calling.

As played I think it's a fold.
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:38 am

I shoved all in. SB called with [Kd][9s]. BB folded.

Based on that, BK, I think its clear that youre over analyzing and giving way too much credit to a guy playing 1/2 a stack.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:55 am

I agree with Iceman.
Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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