POKERSTARS GAME #15485157224: OMAHA POT LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/02/23 - 01:42:19 (ET)
Table 'Qinghai III' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: mazzzz ($46.60 in chips)
Seat 3: anakin17 ($20 in chips)
Seat 4: Sevatonic ($30 in chips)
Seat 5: AABassMaster ($40.75 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO ($70 in chips)
Seat 7: Golf452 ($247.15 in chips)
Seat 8: kmaihb ($45.75 in chips)
Seat 9: NINI_ISIS ($22.85 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $0.25
Golf452: posts big blind $0.50
Sevatonic: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
kmaihb: folds
NINI_ISIS: calls $0.50
mazzzz: folds
anakin17: folds
Sevatonic: checks
lexwilly joins the table at seat #2
AABassMaster: calls $0.50
HERO: raises $2.50 to $3
Golf452: folds
NINI_ISIS: folds
Sevatonic: folds
AABassMaster: calls $2.50
*** FLOP ***
HERO: bets $7.15
AABassMaster: calls $7.15
*** TURN ***
HERO: bets $20.75
AABassMaster: calls $20.75
*** RIVER *** Ah]
HERO: bets $39.10 and is all-in
AABassMaster: calls $9.85 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows (a pair of Jacks)
AABassMaster: shows (a straight, Eight to Queen)
AABassMaster collected $80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $83 | Rake $3

My reasoning for the big raise was,that the table was becoming fairly tight and i didn't thought that a 3BB raise would get much multiwayaction and if I raise I should be better off raising right here instead of making a small raise and get only HU or 2 way action too...
So I did raise the Pot,so that I can represent the set of Aces too,if a ace flops.
Only a fairly tight player was calling the raise.I flop a Overpair+Gutshot combination and im pretty much comitted to CBET here,because I will have pretty much fold equity here,if he didn't flop a good draw or set/2 pair.
After some hesitation he called and i was putting him some kind of wrap draw somehow...
The ace on the turn didnt completed any draws,and the ace was out there,so I thought some seconds more like I was hitting my set of Aces now and then make a Bigbet which should be hard to call for a tight player without a really good hand. I thought I had enough fold equity here and that I just could't give up that pot after representing aces all the way to turn... A tight player shoud have a hard time calling this big bet now,when he has to put nearly rest of his stack in.
After thinking a long time he decided to call the bet and hit some of his outs on River,so my strong push for the last 10 bucks was wasted and complete spew this time

Do you Guys think I played this marginal strong hand too aggressive OOP here?
I just didn't want to flop a good set at a limped or minraised pot and then the others folding when I bet out pot OOP,so I decided to play it strong like aces to have another option to represent and if I hit my set,it would be very hard too read too.

Im just interested in some opinions about the hand. Do you like it? Do you hate it? Or what would you do there?

I think my turn bet wasn't a bad one,because he really had a hard time calling her.Against a donkey player I think It would be a really bad bet,because they call with every 2 pair combination here for their last bucks.But tight players a pokerstars have to have a really good hand to play for the big pots versus decent players,so I think I had to 2nd Barell here for sure...
I know and know that it was a really marginal play,because he flopped that hard here and had some outs to call all the way althought his turn call was a big badly,but I handed him the monies on River,to make his call very very slighlty EV-

I see what you're trying to accomplish ... but this wasn't the best place to do it imo. You're going to lose your stack here way too often, especially OOP. Not to mean it harshly, but I'd say this is a clear example of fancy play syndrome. I think it's possible that this play might have value at higher stakes, but at a $50.00 table, it's definitely a donation play. Villain needs to fold twice as often as he calls for you to be profitabe here. Villain will not fold 2 out of 3 times.

With that being said ... I like that you were consistent in what you were representing ... if this is the line that you want to take on the hand ... I don't see make a full pot bet on the turn as the best play. If he's going to fold, he'll fold to a 1/2 - 2/3 psb as easily as a full psb ... so you might as well save yourself some money. After he calls the turn, he's never ever folding so you may as well be able to get away from it with 1/2 of your stack still intact. Reload to a full stack, and take comfort knowing that you've at least gained some advertising value.

This could be me. It's exactly the kind of crap I pull all the time. I don't think it's all terrible but what I do think is that it's totally unnecessary. There is just no need for it.

Unlike others I would say your biggest mistake here is the pre-flop raise. I just see no sense in it. If your table is tightening up, I can see you wanting to raise into a few more hands and generally put some pressure on but this is not the spot to do it from. I'd rather wait 2 hands and raise nearly any 4 from the button (although I would prefer to relax my head a bit and wait for position and a half decent hand).

JJ77 is just not the kind of hand that I would want to raise out of position. At a table that is going tight, I might min raise it. Min raising it risks less, doesn't get you over involved in the pot and surprisingly, you will often still get all the advantages of initiative and they will give you credit for a hand if you need to steal later in the pot. I want to see a flop here and until I know where I am, I want the pot manageable.

On the flop you say you are pretty much comitted to CBET. I don't see why. There are many kinds of tight so this depends a lot on your opponent. If he is the kind that needs a hand to bet then you may be as well off checking here. You have nothing worth playing if he bets and if he checks then you can take the pot down on the turn. Continuation betting here is probably not bad though.

Given that repping Aces was part of your plan and that you clearly believe your opponent is good enough to get away from a mediocre hand, I think betting the turn is a must. As PZ mentioned, a half to 2/3 pot bet will do the job on the turn in most cases. It will also leave you more play on the river should you want it. Again, a lot hinges on what kind of tight your opponent is.

I actually don't find "Tight" a useful description in any way and don't think of my opponents that way. I try to have notes on the kind of mistakes that they make and try to have some idea of how they play from street to street. An opponent who thinks they are tight will often respond to what they think is a bluff with a call on the flop. That's not tight, it's weak but it is common at this level. Your bet on a low, raggedy, flop is an obvious spot for a CBET so I think it is a strong possibility here that your opponent can call without a hand that can stand action. So I like betting the turn. He folds here more than 50% of the time and this post never gets made.

If he is a genuinely solid player who never calls without the goods then you should never fire that 2nd barrell at him.

The river bet is so small that it's somewhat meaningless but again it's unneccessary. You had put him on some kind of wrap earlier in the hand and it has hit on the river why bet away an extra $10?

Apart from the pre-flop raise, I can see reasons why you made each of the individual decisions and none of them (taken alone) are huge mistakes IMO. The problem is you just kept getting sucked along on every street. Believe me, this is something I am very familiar with.

For me, the whole problem comes back to the needless bloating of the pot. On every street you are building as big a pot as you can with a hand that is pretty close to worthless. This then magnifies the negative effects of the decisions you make on later streets. If you had raised less pre flop, or checked the flop, or half potted the turn, you would have reached the river with your opponent still having a pot sized bet in his stack. If you and your opponent both had a pot sized bet left, my guess is you would have saved that last bet, because you would have noticed his draw hitting. You would have enough left behind for any bets to be believable. Also, if you reached the river putting him on a draw or having hit your gutshot or some other hand you reckoned you were ahead with, you can still get his whole stack in.

At the end of the day, you ran into the one type of hand that was going to get you into this kind of trouble. His draw is too big to fold and because he doesn't raise it, you hang yourself. If he has a hand that can fold, he probably folds on the turn and you win the pot. I think bloating the pot at every opportunity is your mistake here. By doing so, you are psychologically hooking yourself into the pot, getting more and more invested and making it harder to walk away. You are creating unneccessary risk that is not really matched by potential reward here.