This is the second orbit at this table and both blinds folded to me the first orbit when I open raised OTB. I have no other info on the villain which puts us in a bit of a tough spot. What is our play?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($89.95)
UTG+1 ($244.75)
MP1 ($174.85)
MP2 ($16.00)
MP3 ($118.65)
CO ($27.15)
Hero ($100.00)
SB ($104.05)
BB ($225.40)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 9 players) Hero is BTN [Jd]
6 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, BB raises to $12, $8.5 to Hero ($96.5)?

I'm definitely folding this at full ring.

Ya.

When I was playing FR last week I had an attempt to steal blinds % of 70% because almost nobody ever played back without a big hand. I felt it was profitable to open-raise any 2 at most tables in the CO/BTN because of this.

We decided he was playing back at us and called... the plot thickens

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($89.95)
UTG+1 ($244.75)
MP1 ($174.85)
MP2 ($16.00)
MP3 ($118.65)
CO ($27.15)
Hero ($100.00)
SB ($104.05)
BB ($225.40)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 9 players) Hero is BTN [Jd]
6 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.5

Flop: [Qs][5c] ($24.5, 2 players)
BB bets $18.5, $18.5 to Hero ($88)?

Hero calls once and folds the turn...if he checks then bets the river, I probably call - but folding sometimes is good.

I'm torn between calling and folding pf...I lean towards calling, but folding is okay. Always calling is probably a mistake, as is always folding. Maybe 65/35 call/fold.

Honestly, without a read this is a muck preflop for me at FR. FR players in general are terrible and do not adjust well to what is essentially a 3-handed situation.

I would give BB credit the first time and go from there. QJs is pretty but easily dominated by BB range here.

I would let this go preflop given that you have no reads, as played definitely call the flop and see how it goes from there, I would not want to play for stacks.

to all of you that thought that we should fold PF in his situation....kudos

I almost folded the turn instead I decided to spew a little

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG ($89.95)
UTG 1 ($244.75)
MP1 ($174.85)
MP2 ($16.00)
MP3 ($118.65)
CO ($27.15)
Hero ($100.00)
SB ($104.05)
BB ($225.40)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 9 players) Hero is BTN [Jd]
6 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 1 fold, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8.5

Flop: [Qs][5c] ($24.5, 2 players)
BB bets $18.5, Hero calls $18.5

Turn: ($61.5, 2 players)
BB bets $37.5, Hero goes all-in $69.5, BB calls $32

River: ($200.5, 2 players)

Final Pot: $200.50
Hero shows: [Jd]
BB shows: [As]

BB wins $197.5 ( won $97.5 )
Hero lost -$100.00

If villain is tight then it's a fold pre-flop IMHO.

As played I min-raise the his CB to define his hand.

If you are going to just call once and fold to a second barrel when you have hit top pair, you had no place calling with QJs in the first place.

If he raises or calls and fires again I am done, but it stops most players two barrelling with air (most likely AK) on turn.

Roy said people are terrible at full ring. Terrible is relative.

An outsider would look at this hand and say Trump is terrible. The villain told you he had a big hand and you still got stacked with TP weak kicker.

Back when there was no 6 max, you would see hands like this all day long at Party. Guys getting stacked with TP vs an overpair....and people would laugh at how soft the games were.

Well, they are still soft if youre going to play QJs like this in a full ring game. Even if a 6 max game, you cant get stacked here but at full ring its unacceptable. People dont play back in full ring without a big hand. They just sit and wait for an overpair or a set and get paid off all day long. People dont steal raise like they do at 6 max so people dont reraise from the blinds just because.

Cliff notes: In full ring, if you raise and get reraised, you better fold unless you have odds to flop a set or think your pair is big enough to stack his smaller pair (and youre better be big)