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Overcards + NFD w/ AKs deep, 5/10nl

Postby GodlikeRoy » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:12 pm

Villain in this hand is running at 26/20/3 over 800 hands but I have absolutely no recollection of him. 800 hands is probably more than I have on just about anyone so far at Pacific so it's really weird that he's gone unnoticed. We have no history between each other and I have no idea how he views me. I've been playing taggy & a little nitty at this table.

We have ~ $1.9k effective stacks.

It folds to him OTB and he makes it $35, I'm in the BB with [Ah] [Kh] and call.

The flop is [Qh] [3h] [5c].

What's my line?
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Postby Triple B » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:45 pm

Villain: Why?
Villain: How?
Me: I had a feeling
Villian: Sit in you cretin
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Postby DoctorHandles » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:04 pm

Why is 4-bet shoving over his 3-bet bad? (on the flop)

I've never been in this spot and really have no idea what to do, but I would have just CRed to like $200 and then since you're FOS so much there I imagine he 3-bets with air some and then just shove.
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Postby black_knight6 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:18 pm

I think you should think about bet/3betting this flop before the CR this deep.

When the money gets in, I think you're doing better with a bet/3bet. He'll think you're donking into him, so his raising range will be wide...whereas if you CR and he 3bets, then you're in trouble and a 4bet probably won't be profitable.
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Postby Triple B » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:20 pm

If we are called we are likely to have about 26% equity in a 380 BB pot (ie he will have a set). Therefore we need villain to fold a lot once he 3-bets to make it profitable.

If he doesn't 3-bet we are going to have a big pot OOP where if a K or A hits we will have no idea wtf is going on. (since villain's C/R calling range is probably heavily weighted towards KQ, AQ, KK and AA)
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Postby black_knight6 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:29 pm

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Postby hard2tel » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:31 pm

"But meh, what I lack for in talent and intelligence I make up for in lack of ambition." -- Oatmealforxmas

- make more than xaston and roy
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Postby Twelver » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:34 pm

Mekos King (10:21:59 PM): one of the first rules of manlaw
Mekos King (10:22:06 PM): is never ever try to suck backup to a bitch
Mekos King (10:22:09 PM): who caught u cheatin
Mekos King (10:22:23 PM): unless your married and would lose like money inna divorce
Mekos King (10:22:33 PM): then u suckup just long enuf to get close enough to killer obv

Heat517163 (5:05:37 PM): black people man
Heat517163 (5:05:40 PM): they travel in packs
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:28 am

If I check-raise I think he's 3betting light a very small % of the time. I have not been CRing him much or the table much in general.

Those saying CR/4bet AI,

What is our plan if he calls the CR and the turn is a brick? An A or K?
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Postby black_knight6 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:03 am

Agree, if you CR and he comes over the top...you're in trouble.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:11 am

BK,

If we bet-3bet and he comes over the top we're probably in even more trouble.

Same Q to you - what do you do when he just calls the flop lead and the turn is a brick, an A or a K?

Bet-fold? Check-call? Bet-call?
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Postby black_knight6 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:27 am

I think we're in a lot worse shape if he 4bet shoves over our bet/3bet than if he 3bets over our CR.

OBVIOUSLY, either way we're not happy!!

The thing is, worse case, you've got 35% equity here, so getting it all in isn't a terrible mistake vs his range.

If we lead and the turn bricks, we can either ch/call, CRAI, or bet/call. Bet/folding probably sucks.

If it's an A/K, I think bet/3bet get it all in because a lot of the time you could be freerolling.
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Postby redhouse » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:40 am

Mekos King: existence without running good
Mekos King: truly has no purpose
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Postby Dumb Snowman » Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:29 am

Partake in my bollocks, bloody chav!
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