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Postby RedBarracuda » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:41 am

Fairly easy spot for some.. and yes, I open KQo UTG (for some that might ask)..

Comments and suggestions on flop and turn plz..

Villain is very aggro but at the time of this hand playing out I didn't have his stats on PAHUD as he played less then 30 hands at the table then so I was basically readless with only observation that he is very aggro (which it ends up, he is)..

I realize that his flop raise can be any number of hands and non hands but I am interested how would you handle it?

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at

Profiles and Stacks:
UTG Hero ($894.40) 18.8/16.8/6.7 (352)
UTG+1 dicksonb ($111.10) 45.6/15.6/3.0 (90)
CO vX225 ($400.00) 21.4/14.7/3.4 (387)
BTN Hitch776 ($400.00) 20.8/19.3/2.9 (259)
SB ecirtap1 ($536.52) 60.9/6.4/1.6 (345)
BB Zoid11 ($434.30) 22.9/16.8/2.8 (327)

Pre-flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is UTG [Qd][Kc]
Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, Hitch776 calls $16, 2 folds

Flop: [Qh][9d][3h] ($38, 2 players)
Hero bets $26, Hitch776 raises to $68, Hero calls $42

Turn: [7c] ($174, 2 players)
Hero checks, Hitch776 bets $111, Hero ??
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Postby shamdonk » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:46 am

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby NorthView » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:57 am

Haven't seen much double barrelling with draws at Pacific. In fact, haven't seen much aggression at all there, so unless 2/4 is a lot different I fold.
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Postby shamdonk » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:01 am

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby NorthView » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:32 am

From my time at Pacific mainly AQ/KQ/QJ + sets, but I missed that "Villain is very aggro" so I guess you can add TT, TJ and maybe stuff like 98hh (though we're behind to 97hh), which changes things somewhat... though a post flop aggro factor of 2.9 isn't overly aggressive by any means (compare it with Red's).

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Postby shamdonk » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:19 am

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


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Postby Triple B » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:54 am

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Villain: How?
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Postby Semillon » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:08 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:30 pm

Is shoving the flop wrong here?

I would actually be shoving here against most villains as a flop raise folds out a ton of your UTG range, I would be shoving a ton of draws here, and there's tons of draws he could have that are unlikely to bet the turn as once you call the flop your hang looks like TP or better to me (though maybe at NL$400 it's aggro enough you guys aren't folding TT to the flop raise, I'm not sure).

Either way I like a flop shove.
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Postby redhouse » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:35 pm

I'm kinda in DH's boat here. I'm not sure i understand the flop call if you doubt you can fold to a two barrel. Can someone explain?
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Postby black_knight6 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:49 pm

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Postby redhouse » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:53 pm

In position maybe. OOP it also gives him free cards if he chooses. Plus with both a straight and flush draw possible, there's so many shitty cards that can fall on the turn without us knowing if he has one or the other or air.
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Postby black_knight6 » Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:54 pm

I disagree that he'll check behind here a lot. Agro players tend to follow through with draws to semi-bluff because if they check behind, the draw misses, they're going to get ch/called a lot by most pair hands.
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