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Postby bearjohnson » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:56 pm

Not sure how many hands I had on this player during this hand.. Overall I have about 160 on him and he's 48.25/21/1.27.

Should I be shoving here? Or should I look for a better opportunity?

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Postby dropthe72 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:01 pm

eh, i think pot control is good, since the pair on the board is so high. min raise = monster. but at this limit, pushing here isn't that bad since so many will call with waaayy worse hands, i.e. fd or 89 for oesd or w/ a seven, or any pp really... i think i playa bit more cautiously though, since i've been minraised and my opponent only needs one card in his hand to match the board and beat kk.
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Postby dropthe72 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:02 pm

definitely though i think at the real low limits, you gotta try to control variance, and you'll should be beating the game with relative ease. pushing here is definitely high variance if it is profitable (which it should be, i think, though prolly marginally).
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Postby MBuckler » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:39 pm

170bbs deep i think i chuck this to the flop Min Raise. at 10nl that min raise is never not a 10.
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Postby Mr Sauceman » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:30 pm

Yeah i am thinking about folding here on the flop, but in reality i probably call the flop and fold to a decent size turn bet. Shoving here is a very marginal play.

Also, i think OPs icon is creepy.
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Postby black_knight6 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:13 pm

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Postby Danhdan » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:03 pm

I'd call the flop min-raise, probably check/fold the turn when the spade comes, or he bets again. I'm reluctant to give up so easily on the flop due to the draws out there, but I think pushing here is probably the worst thing you could have done. Call>fold>>>>>>>push. I think the push is really bad because he's probably calling you with a hand that you flip with like [As][8s] and any hand that crushes you but folding all pairs except AA and FH's. Also, we have position and we can see if he was CRing the flop with a draw that he will probably check the turn with.

I think BK's point about this being a check-min-raise and much stronger than a min-raise in position shouldn't be ignored.
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